Roberto Firmino

[Nicey]

Storm in a teacup ... I honestly think this will pass without much pomp

[Exiled_red]

The crazy thing is, we didn’t even get a free kick for the push. The game restarted with a throw in!

There is a small push which takes place on the touchline which should have been a freekick but the ref may not have seen that or known whether it took place when the ball was in play or not. The main push takes place when both player and the ball are off the pitch.

[Exiled_red]

So the Ref has included the incident in his report.

Not that that means anything either way till we know what exactly he's 'included'.

Presumably all he can include is that the allegation was made but he didn't hear it. (If he did he would have sent Firmino off). That will be what he needs to do to start the process of the FA investigating. Plus statements taken by him and the other officials after the match.

[Kenneth]

The FA will conclude that there isn't enough evidence to charge Firmino with racist abuse and then he'll unfairly have a question mark left hanging over him. They might dish out a ban for aggressive behaviour just because they're cunts like that. Holgate will get off without even a warning.

I suspect that this is right.

[captainfog]

I suspect that this is right.

It's the easy way out for the FA, they can do nothing without having to call the bitter a liar.

[Vermilion]

Presumably all he can include is that the allegation was made but he didn't hear it. (If he did he would have sent Firmino off). That will be what he needs to do to start the process of the FA investigating. Plus statements taken by him and the other officials after the match.

Yep, Firmy would have been off if it was as clear cut as the Ref hearing it, so it's a bit odd that he didn't, but Holgate did.

[captainfog]

If the ref wrote in the report that he heard racist abuse and did nothing about it then he calls his own credibility as a ref into question. No way he does that.

[Vermilion]

The only other way the Ref's report could incriminate Firmy is to say that he heard the word used, and Holgate alleged it to be racist, but the Ref didn't know if it was or not, and includes that word in his report as the one alleged by Holgate to be racist.

You would think the Ref would know said word if Holgate did, or would young Black English players be briefed on what Foreign language racist words to be aware of ? But then again if they were, it woild follow that Ref's would be too.

[Nicey]

Holgate looks like a right ****ing ****ehouse / windup merchant .. he just stood there looking for a push or a punch, he was trying to get Bobby sent off ... shifty puta

[captainfog]

The only other way the Ref's report could incriminate Firmy is to say that he heard the word used, and Holgate alleged it to be racist, but the Ref didn't know if it was or not, and includes that word in his report as the one alleged by Holgate to be racist.

You would think the Ref would know said word if Holgate did, or would young Black English players be briefed on what Foreign language racist words to be aware of ? But then again if they were, it woild follow that Ref's would be too.

Calling someone a loco puta isn't racist though. We're not talking about nuances of culture and translation here. It should be an open and shut case.

[Phoenix07]

You would think the Ref would know said word if Holgate did, or would young Black English players be briefed on what Foreign language racist words to be aware of ? But then again if they were, it woild follow that Ref's would be too.

It's not just black players, or non-white players who can be racially abused.

[Vermilion]

It's not just black players, or non-white players who can be racially abused.

Tru fact. My bad.

It's just that it seems to be more common for young Black English players to be abused at the mo, but yes of course we're all open to it.

[Exiled_red]

It's not just black players, or non-white players who can be racially abused.

[Exiled_red]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...gate--14120511

The echo on what happens neXT. They think any charge will be brought by tuesday

[captainfog]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...gate--14120511

The echo on what happens neXT. They think any charge will be brought by tuesday

If they are only going to go by the video footage then they can't charge him for being racist as there isn't any evidence to suggest so.