Jürgen Klopp

[Corndog]

This is my issue. I think there is a massive over reliance on salah and Mane to score all the goals. As we saw last season, when they fire blanks the team stutters.

Maybe the formation and setup needs tweaking to allow for a goalscoring midfielder to chip in.

We'll see, 3 points yesterday was a good to start.

Its clear they are the two biggest attacking threats in the team yes and they are both world class players. I think last year, collectively the team failed to come up with solutions to bus parkers, and I also think the decrease in attacking output was caused largely by the centre back injury situation.

When you dominate teams with possession and good field position so strongly in a Klopp team, almost everyone is quite advanced except for two CBs and maybe a midfielder.

Those CBs are at the half way line or thereabouts and they play a big role in dictating the tempo of the build up. Not have CBs who were excellent ball players hurt how the whole team attacked. It also made the fullbacks and midfielders more conservative than they normally were with a VVD, Gomez or Matip.

If Bobby has better service from out wide, he will score so many from inside the box. Jota also has goals in him so I don't think there is an over reliance on Salah and Mane. In any case, it's wrong to look at the midfielders in a Klopp team asking them to step up with lots of goals. The style of play is that their main roles are to either counter press high, help the CBs break up counter attacks or cover the fullbacks and pass the ball on as quickly as possible to the forwards or fullbacks.

The odd forward run and goal is a bonus for them. If Klopp wanted to have a goalscoring midfielder, he'd have deployed wijnaldum in such a role as he clearly scores goals when in a system where he is given the freedom to do so i.e Newcastle / Netherlands.

Basically, the midfielders attacking instincts are sacraficed for the freedom of our fullbacks to get high up and basically be second wingers, like an advanced right mid or left mid from the 4-4-2 days

[RedReet]

Its clear they are the two biggest attacking threats in the team yes and they are both world class players. I think last year, collectively the team failed to come up with solutions to bus parkers, and I also think the decrease in attacking output was caused largely by the centre back injury situation.

When you dominate teams with possession and good field position so strongly in a Klopp team, almost everyone is quite advanced except for two CBs and maybe a midfielder.

Those CBs are at the half way line or thereabouts and they play a big role in dictating the tempo of the build up. Not have CBs who were excellent ball players hurt how the whole team attacked. It also made the fullbacks and midfielders more conservative than they normally were with a VVD, Gomez or Matip.

If Bobby has better service from out wide, he will score so many from inside the box. Jota also has goals in him so I don't think there is an over reliance on Salah and Mane. In any case, it's wrong to look at the midfielders in a Klopp team asking them to step up with lots of goals. The style of play is that their main roles are to either counter press high, help the CBs break up counter attacks or cover the fullbacks and pass the ball on as quickly as possible to the forwards or fullbacks.

The odd forward run and goal is a bonus for them. If Klopp wanted to have a goalscoring midfielder, he'd have deployed wijnaldum in such a role as he clearly scores goals when in a system where he is given the freedom to do so i.e Newcastle / Netherlands.

Basically, the midfielders attacking instincts are sacraficed for the freedom of our fullbacks to get high up and basically be second wingers, like an advanced right mid or left mid from the 4-4-2 days

It's been explained many times, even by Klopp himself, but just doesn't seem to matter, just like people saying play a proper cf and we'll score more goals.

Another big thing to add to your point is we had little threat from setpieces last year, which was a big loss. It might have been Salah that scored, but it's no coincidence we scored from a corner in the first match Virg is back.

[BG1973]

Here we go, another good example of a sarky response. I have a different opinion to you. Learn to live with it you ****ing cretin.

You'd miss the sarky, smart arse pedants if they weren't here Bob.

[Tribute]

I've been here for years and still haven't worked out if Bob's monica is supposed to be sarcastic or not...

[Corndog]

It's been explained many times, even by Klopp himself, but just doesn't seem to matter, just like people saying play a proper cf and we'll score more goals.

Another big thing to add to your point is we had little threat from setpieces last year, which was a big loss. It might have been Salah that scored, but it's no coincidence we scored from a corner in the first match Virg is back.

Yea absolutely, VVD alone is capable of 5-7 goals from set pieces a season and normally Matip gets a couple as well.

Having pace at CB is also so important for this side. It's never ideal but you know you can rely on VVD, Gomez, Matip and from what i've heard also Konate to recover with pace on the counter if you are one of the fullbacks.

Completely different story with Phillips and Rhys Williams

[danperkins]

Another source of goals from the midfield would be nice though. Be interesting to see how we go when the lads go to the African Nations Cup.

[Rich]

Yea absolutely, VVD alone is capable of 5-7 goals from set pieces a season and normally Matip gets a couple as well.

Having pace at CB is also so important for this side. It's never ideal but you know you can rely on VVD, Gomez, Matip and from what i've heard also Konate to recover with pace on the counter if you are one of the fullbacks.

Completely different story with Phillips and Rhys Williams

We immediately looked more dangerous from corners against Norwich, just cos of them two in the mixer.

[BigChief]

Talking of corners, Tsimikas was delivering some good ones that actually beat the first man.

[SB]

I've been here for years and still haven't worked out if Bob's monica is supposed to be sarcastic or not...

I’d say it’s safe to call sarcasm

[McDermotX]

The boss speaks

Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has labelled a group of fans "idiots" after alleged homophobic chants were heard during the side's 3-0 victory at Norwich last Saturday.

Klopp was speaking to Paul Amann, the founder of Liverpool LGBT+ fans group Kop Outs, on Thursday.

"I never understand why you would sing a song if it was against something in a football stadium," he said.

The club have said the chants were "offensive and inappropriate".

"I never got that. I never liked it," Klopp added. "In our case we have probably the best songbook in the world. It's easy to decide not to sing the song anymore. So, we can decide now, this is not our song anymore.

"I'm not sure if people listen to me but it would be nice. I don't want to hear it anymore, for so many reasons."

Addressing the chants directed at Norwich's Billy Gilmour, who is on-loan from Chelsea, Klopp said the songs are a waste of time as they do nothing to motivate the players.

"When they start singing 'Bobby Firmino', 'Mo Salah', 'You'll Never Walk Alone' this kind of stuff, that gives you goosebumps and a push.

"The other songs are completely a waste of time and if you think [believe] what you sing, you are an idiot.

"I'm 54 now and when I was 20 we said so many things which we didn't think about. Thank god 34 years later we learned it's just not right to say."

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUNuPplsrdc&ab_channel=LiverpoolFC"]‘Our values are supporting each other’ – Jürgen Klopp meets Kop Outs - YouTube[/ame]

[Pablo]

Thought this was brilliant from Jurgen and the club.

[Buzzo]

Yeah, just watched that.

Amazing to see how football is trying to move forward and getting someone as high profile as Klopp to add his voice is a powerful thing. More needs to be done though, from all clubs.

[Venton]

Yeah, just watched that.

Amazing to see how football is trying to move forward and getting someone as high profile as Klopp to add his voice is a powerful thing. More needs to be done though, from all clubs.

Every time I see something like this I think of the 70s and 80s and see how far we've come. Even when you see pushback to players taking the knee it's important to see it in the context of the overall upward movement that society is taking.

[frank the tank]

wow

Jurgen has so much class. Proper leader.

[Buzzo]

Every time I see something like this I think of the 70s and 80s and see how far we've come. Even when you see pushback to players taking the knee it's important to see it in the context of the overall upward movement that society is taking.

Definitely.

Most of my football watching has been in Scotland, and the toxic masculinity levels are off the scale. The racism put towards Mark Walters when he moved to Rangers was off the scale. I've heard comments that are offensive to pretty much any minority or group you would care to mention over the years - but it’s getting a bit better.

It is to the point that I am not even sure how you address it. More managers need to speak out in this way. Not just by making a statement with some well prepared words, but by doing this, standing alongside those people who are affected.

I think it is also cool that JK acknowledges himself in terms of how things have moved on. I am sure most of us have referred to something as being 'a bit gay' etc in the past. These are small steps. But they are important ones.