Jürgen Klopp

[BG1973]

Great managers can make obvious mistakes quite easily. As can storied scientists with credentials as long as your arm. People invest in what brings them success. It can be hard to challenge those things. Maybe over reliance on trusted players who have delivered so much in the past?

The biggest thing for me is the whole mentality thing. It was what Jurgen built the team identity around. And it is the biggest failing now. I'm not knocking him at all, I just don't get why it's gone to ****.

For clarity I was being sarcastic.

He has reasons for making the decisions he has that we don't know about. Suggesting (not you) that he repeatedly chose a poor defensive partnership due to being stubborn is not on imo.

A genuine **** up was the Jota injury and I would think he would agree with that.

Things can change quickly, look at how we transformed after VVD. Look at City now vs autumn. And Chelsea now. Hopefully FSG are able to support him.

[danperkins]

The problem for me is the lack of goals despite what anyone says about Fabinho or Henderson play at CB or whatever obviously those have an impact but we have still been creating chances just wasting them. Since beating Palace 7-0 we have played 19 games,

Atackwise:
Failed to score in 8 games
Score only once in 6 games
Scored more than once in 5 games

Defensively:
Clean sheets in 5 games
Conceded one goal in 11 games
Conceded more than 1 goal in 3 games

Record in those games
Pl19 W6 D5 L8 F19 A20 PTS23

Given our defensive injuries you would take conceding a goal a game and expect the forwards to get us enough points to to win games. If we score 2 goals in each of those 19 games we win 16 of them. Prior to those games we scored 2 or more in 11 of 14 and hadn't failed to score in any of them. Anything vaguely close to that and we are comfortably in the top 4 probably battling for 2nd. It isn't like we haven't had the chances we must be by far the most wasteful team in front of goal.

[Exiled_red]

In terms of Klopp’s decisions I think alot of it comes down to a lack of options. I think that the main one people might criticise him for is not bringing Phillips in sooner and freeing up Fabinho or Henderson to play in midfield. This is a tricky on because I do wonder if part of the reason Phillips had done well is because he wasn't thrown in too soon. The other thing is at the point we first needed one of our 'junior CBs' Williams was probably considered the better option.

The other main criticisms would be not resting / dropping off form Mane or Firmino, but again with Jota out for much of that time the only option was Origi whose form has been poor for the last 18 months. Loaning Minamino was an odd one too but I have my doubts about him being a serious goal threat too.

The other big one is not resting Robertson who looks constantly knackered for weeks. You have to wonder about the quality of Tsimikas he looked decent in a couple of games but he has barely played which is an odd one.

The mentality that people have mentioned I think that Henderson and VVD play a massive part in that an their loss on the pitch and in the dressing room is much more than their ability on the pitch. I think we are really lacking leadership at the moment. I think from that point of view Milner needs to play more but there are other issues with that. I have never really felt that Wijnaldum is captain material, I believe he was chosen by the players last year or the year before when Henderson Milner and VVD didn't play in one game, it's OK as a one off but at the moment he is doing that role regularly and I don't think he is suited to it, that said I don't know who it should be instead I think I would be looking at Fabinho personally.

[Gray]

Why did we buy that Davies?

[danperkins]

Why did we buy that Davies?

**** knows but it certainly wasn't to play football.

[BG1973]

Why did we buy that Davies?

As back up in case couldn't get any other deals done?

[Angryred]

Davies...all that time training with the top players only to be sold in the summer once we got our business done...He certainly would have learnt a few tricks by now, training with the likes of Salah, Mane etc day in, day out. However, cannot see us getting much for him as depends on how long was the contract he signed up for?

[Charly]

How many players have we signed and not played?

Im sure we bought a fullback a few years ago. Its hard remembering names when they never played.

Did Sean Dundee get on the pitch? Degen?

[fabinho]

To be fair to Davies, he hasn't been here that long and he's still only started a handful less games than Naby, and he's been here 3 years.

[SB]

To be fair to Davies, he hasn't been here that long and he's still only started a handful less games than Naby, and he's been here 3 years.

Sad but true

[kev776]

Are we actually playing or just providing bollards to pass around

[Fredo]

"Can we challenge Man City next season? And Chelsea. And Manchester United.

"City and Chelsea have always had [financial] advantages in this and we still won the league and the Champions League, so it is our situation to work like we work and I never look at other clubs and say 'we can't do this' or 'we can't do that'.

"The only thing I am interested in, and I said this earlier when I arrived here, I am not interested in being the coach of the best team in the world.

"I am interested in being the coach of the team who can beat the best team in the world.

"If two or three of them play in our league then we will try to beat them and some others as well so we have enough points to win something.

"It is absolutely not the situation to moan or cry. I am not going to cry about our situations. Our situation is fine.

"A year ago people didn't know exactly how football would go on. Only one year later we speak about what we can do in the transfer window.

"People talk about changing the football structure completely, the German model, I can tell you the budget will go down massively.

"So changing the structure of the ownership model and [then] signing Haaland for £150m or whatever, that doesn’t work together.

"We have to use our situation better than we did this year.

"We had bad luck, definitely, but the thing I am concerned about is this was not the season when we could have become champions. There was just no chance.

"But we could have had five, six or seven points more in this moment with exactly the same situation we have been in this whole time? Yes.

"I think we should have and we don't. And that is something I don’t like too much.

"That situation would improve our position a little bit for the last few games, but we would have to win all our games because the other teams could too.

"But that is it, really. Nothing to moan about, nothing to cry about, just the situation is better than I would have thought a year ago, but the financial situation is where everyone suffers.

"And then we ask about signing players for this and that. We will see how the market develops but it for sure would not be an early market, that is for sure."

[SB]

"And then we ask about signing players for this and that. We will see how the market develops but it for sure would not be an early market, that is for sure."

What does he mean by that? As in not much transfer activity early on due to the Euros?

[BG1973]

Sell to buy?

[Exiled_red]

What does he mean by that? As in not much transfer activity early on due to the Euros?

I assume that and there not being alot of money flow sting around due to covid impacting on clubs finances. I suspect he also means that there will probably need to be a couple of big deals done to kick start the market.

I think he's talking about the market in general rather than us specifically.