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    #1336
    Originally posted by danperkins View Post
    Agree with this but I don't see Mane as a smart player whatsoever. It's his composure & decision making that is stopping him from becoming world class.
    Disagree.

    His ability to play in a variety of positions equally well is a sign of an intelligent player and I'm not sure any player who is 'not the smartest' could understand and implement Klopp's highly advanced tactics.
    If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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      #1337
      I think you're both right. Some things he does are great and show that he is a real footballer - but at other times he seems blind to the possibilties. Hopefully he will get even better. But I am worried our front 3 are getting a wee bit selfish.....

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        #1338
        Originally posted by RedReet View Post
        Disagree.

        His ability to play in a variety of positions equally well is a sign of an intelligent player and I'm not sure any player who is 'not the smartest' could understand and implement Klopp's highly advanced tactics.
        of course you do, we couldn't agree on the colour of ****e.

        By Klopp's tactics you mean work rate, counter attack & exerting pressure high up? IMO I don't think you need to be intelligent to do that, but you do need to be in peak physically condition & have a certain relentless dogged determination to exist in a Klopp side.

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          #1339
          Originally posted by danperkins View Post
          of course you do, we couldn't agree on the colour of ****e.

          By Klopp's tactics you mean work rate, counter attack & exerting pressure high up? IMO I don't think you need to be intelligent to do that, but you do need to be in peak physically condition & have a certain relentless dogged determination to exist in a Klopp side.
          There is a lot more to it than that Dan, as I'm sure you are fully aware. New signings are generally integrated slowly into the first team for a reason. And it's not because they aren't fit.
          If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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            #1340
            Originally posted by RedReet View Post
            Disagree.

            His ability to play in a variety of positions equally well is a sign of an intelligent player and I'm not sure any player who is 'not the smartest' could understand and implement Klopp's highly advanced tactics.
            Do you really disagree?

            Or do you both have a point?

            I agree with both to an extent as both are adding nuance to a central theme.
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              #1341
              Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
              Do you really disagree?

              Or do you both have a point?

              I agree with both to an extent as both are adding nuance to a central theme.
              I totally disagree.

              Was Mane not getting plenty of praise last year for his selflessness? Was he more intelligent then?

              If he goes on a run of form like Salah did, converting most of his chances, does that make him smarter?

              To declare him 'not the smartest' because he's been a bit greedy recently is a bit OTT and knee-jerk. It remind me of last year when it was argued (by Dan too IIRC) that Mane can't play LW because he went through a bit of a bad patch and it coincided that he was playing LW at that particular time.
              If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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                #1342
                A lot of nit picking going on here with regards to Mane. Whether people think he is game smart or not. He unpredicable and works his arse off for the team all over the pitch

                As for both him and Salah, I believe both are being a little selfish at the moment. When there are better options they should both be using them

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                  #1343
                  Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                  of course you do, we couldn't agree on the colour of ****e.

                  By Klopp's tactics you mean work rate, counter attack & exerting pressure high up? IMO I don't think you need to be intelligent to do that, but you do need to be in peak physically condition & have a certain relentless dogged determination to exist in a Klopp side.
                  Disagree, I think our pressing as team does require intelligence. Certainly a high degree of concentration and focus that not every player has. There's more to it than just being athletic and running through walls.
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                    #1344
                    [ame]https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/1042368881501896705[/ame]

                    Sadio.
                    If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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                      #1345
                      Originally posted by Pepe79 View Post
                      Disagree, I think our pressing as team does require intelligence. Certainly a high degree of concentration and focus that not every player has. There's more to it than just being athletic and running through walls.
                      Agree with that. The likes of Klopp and Pep require players with a brain. They take on an incredible amount of information and instruction in training and team meetings, more than we could ever wrap our heads around...all that breaking up the pitch into loads of small zones, knowing when to go, whe not to go, weighing up everything that's going on around you in a split second, all that stuff.
                      Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                        #1346
                        Honigstein's book on Klopp doesn't go into the nitty gritty of the tactics i.e. 'x' player needs to be 1.5m from 'y' player, but it's clear on how vital intelligence is, and goes to explain why players like the Ox, and Fabinho, need bedding in periods.

                        At the moment, it's his decision-making when a goalscoring opportunity is approaching, and the same applies to Salah, that's letting them down. Apart from that, he's shown his intelligence in other aspects on the pitch i.e. clever movement off the ball.

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                          #1347
                          Originally posted by RedReet View Post
                          I totally disagree.

                          Was Mane not getting plenty of praise last year for his selflessness? Was he more intelligent then?

                          If he goes on a run of form like Salah did, converting most of his chances, does that make him smarter?

                          To declare him 'not the smartest' because he's been a bit greedy recently is a bit OTT and knee-jerk. It remind me of last year when it was argued (by Dan too IIRC) that Mane can't play LW because he went through a bit of a bad patch and it coincided that he was playing LW at that particular time.
                          Yeah fair enough.

                          He is an intelligent player based on how well he functions within the attack. We cannot afford any players who dont, and it woud be fair to say from 1-11 we look very well drilled.

                          I also think the sefishness of Mane and Salah is what makes them the players they are. And gets them the level of goals they do - it is just when it is not quite clicking that we notice the misses.

                          And thats being mega harsh. The fact of the matter is that Spurs and PSG are both highly rated and we are almost bemoaning the fact that we didnt roll them both over 5 or 6 nil.

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                            #1348
                            Originally posted by Pepe79 View Post
                            Disagree, I think our pressing as team does require intelligence. Certainly a high degree of concentration and focus that not every player has. There's more to it than just being athletic and running through walls.
                            Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                            Agree with that. The likes of Klopp and Pep require players with a brain. They take on an incredible amount of information and instruction in training and team meetings, more than we could ever wrap our heads around...all that breaking up the pitch into loads of small zones, knowing when to go, whe not to go, weighing up everything that's going on around you in a split second, all that stuff.
                            Yup.

                            People say that Moreno is thick, stupid and doesn't have intelligence to play yet he has the physical, attacking and work rate attributes listed earlier.

                            You can't have it both ways.
                            Oh I don't know.

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                              #1349
                              This was great, Mane sending Neymar back to Paris.



                              [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5o9EudvzhY"]Sadio Mane Neymar'ı mal ediyor ( Liverpool 3 - Psg 2) - YouTube[/ame]
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                                #1350
                                Has he signed his new contract?
                                Akloppalypse Now !

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