Georginio Wijnaldum

[fabinho]

Yeah right.

Talk about rose tinted spectacles.

I honestly have no idea what you're on about?

Does Gini not start in everyones 11 if fit?
He was on just under 5m a year here too?

[poorscousertommy]

lol what a little bitch

I mean if you bothered to read the story you’d know the headline is ****e

[poorscousertommy]

It's a reflection of the society we live in today where people seem to think we can live in a Utopia where nobody ever says anything nasty or hurtful. Good luck finding that Gini, don't hold your breath though.

No, it’s more indicative of the world we live in where keyboard warriors feel safe to be abusive to people from any walk of life and feel safe to do so, knowing they will not be on the receiving end of any consequential action.

[RedReet]

I honestly have no idea what you're on about?

Does Gini not start in everyones 11 if fit?
He was on just under 5m a year here too?

He was our lowest earning midfielder. Henderson, Fabinho, Thiago, Ox, Keita, Milner all on more than him. Most new signings get major pay rises after 1st o r2nd season when here, he didn't. Doesn't matter if he's on £500k per week if everyone else is on £800k, it all relative. So yes, statistically undervalued financially by the club.

For years Gini got abused for being invisible and not influencing games. This quietened a bit during our successful seasons, but as he alludes to himself, after every bad team performance he was one of the first in line for abuse. I'm not gonna start digging out quotes, but there are countless examples.

[Doc_Piptorious]

He was our lowest earning midfielder. Henderson, Fabinho, Thiago, Ox, Keita, Milner all on more than him. Most new signings get major pay rises after 1st o r2nd season when here, he didn't. Doesn't matter if he's on £500k per week if everyone else is on £800k, it all relative. So yes, statistically undervalued financially by the club.

For years Gini got abused for being invisible and not influencing games. This quietened a bit during our successful seasons, but as he alludes to himself, after every bad team performance he was one of the first in line for abuse. I'm not gonna start digging out quotes, but there are countless examples.

Actual abuse or just criticism when he played badly? He put in a number of sub par (by his own standards) performances this season and a lot of the time those bad performances came when he was one of the senior players in the team that we would be hoping to guide the less senior players.


I see nothing wrong with discussing and criticising a player's performances on a fan forum tbh, same way there is nothing wrong with praising a good performance.

If it slips into personal abuse about a player though that is a different story altogether and totally out line.



On a related note I look forward to Charly sending Philips screenshots of me calling him a bum a la Mickey from Rocky and Philips then going public to say I am the reason he left the club.

[Paul12]

No, it’s more indicative of the world we live in where keyboard warriors feel safe to be abusive to people from any walk of life and feel safe to do so, knowing they will not be on the receiving end of any consequential action.

Some of the stuff that is posted on this website after the team has lost is appalling - and that seems to be true of all other fan sites. The things that are posted when we go behind in a game can also be way way over the top. It is too easy to say "it was in the heat of the moment", or "it doesn't matter because the players don't read websites like this" or "it is just banter".

[fabinho]

No, it’s more indicative of the world we live in where keyboard warriors feel safe to be abusive to people from any walk of life and feel safe to do so, knowing they will not be on the receiving end of any consequential action.

You don't think this happened before the Internet?

[Kenneth]

Some of the stuff that is posted on this website after the team has lost is appalling

That’s nonsense, with all due respect.

[RedReet]

Actual abuse or just criticism when he played badly? He put in a number of sub par (by his own standards) performances this season and a lot of the time those bad performances came when he was one of the senior players in the team that we would be hoping to guide the less senior players.


I see nothing wrong with discussing and criticising a player's performances on a fan forum tbh, same way there is nothing wrong with praising a good performance.

If it slips into personal abuse about a player though that is a different story altogether and totally out line.



On a related note I look forward to Charly sending Philips screenshots of me calling him a bum a la Mickey from Rocky and Philips then going public to say I am the reason he left the club.

I'm sure there was personal abuse, but TBH it's just the lazy criticism I'm referring to. People labelled him the invisible man, so loved an excuse to say he was invisible. When players are pigeon holed like that, you then get people weighing in and criticising their performances in matches they didn't even watch, but still couldn't miss an opportunity to criticise. You may say that's fair enough, the criticism is warranted, but I say it's tedious and unfair.

And TBH, Gini isn't the worst example, nowhere near it, but he doesn't have to be. If he feels he was unfairly targeting for criticism and was upset by it, then who cares how severe it was.

[fabinho]

He was our lowest earning midfielder. Henderson, Fabinho, Thiago, Ox, Keita, Milner all on more than him. Most new signings get major pay rises after 1st o r2nd season when here, he didn't. Doesn't matter if he's on £500k per week if everyone else is on £800k, it all relative. So yes, statistically undervalued financially by the club.

For years Gini got abused for being invisible and not influencing games. This quietened a bit during our successful seasons, but as he alludes to himself, after every bad team performance he was one of the first in line for abuse. I'm not gonna start digging out quotes, but there are countless examples.

I wasn't aware of his salary in comparison to others, but if I'm being totally honest, I have zero sympathy anyway when it comes to the pay of top footballers.

He was a great footballer for us though.

[RedReet]

I wasn't aware of his salary in comparison to others, but if I'm being totally honest, I have zero sympathy anyway when it comes to the pay of top footballers.

He was a great footballer for us though.

Agreed

Although I genuinely don't think it was about the money for Gini.

[Mark79]

Actual abuse or just criticism when he played badly? He put in a number of sub par (by his own standards) performances this season and a lot of the time those bad performances came when he was one of the senior players in the team that we would be hoping to guide the less senior players.


I see nothing wrong with discussing and criticising a player's performances on a fan forum tbh, same way there is nothing wrong with praising a good performance.

If it slips into personal abuse about a player though that is a different story altogether and totally out line.



On a related note I look forward to Charly sending Philips screenshots of me calling him a bum a la Mickey from Rocky and Philips then going public to say I am the reason he left the club.

Nothing wrong with fair criticism, the problem was so much of it was brainless.

I saw the ‘coasting’ and ‘saving himself for a move’ accusations a lot last season. The guy played well over 5000 minutes in a condensed season, a game every 3 or 4 days non stop. If he was ever off the pace, below par or even trying to conserve himself at times to keep himself available and on the pitch, then no wonder.

But no consideration for that from those who decided it was a blatant lack of desire or commitment from him.

[Exiled_red]

It's a difficult one for me, I can't say I was aware of the abuse that he was getting obviously that doesn't mean he wasn't getting any or that it wasn't affecting him.

In terms of how he was valued, he was on a decent wage when he came in 5 years ago. Obviously the market has changed in that time, we have brought in some better quality players and won some trophies since then. It's over 2 years since the club offered to double his salary, but he didn't sign the contract. If he isn't willing to sign a new contract he is obviously going to remain undervalued until he leaves. I found it frustrating that the club wouldn't offer him a longer deal given he is one of the first names on the team sheet and he has always been available. In terms of the fans maybe some didn appreciate him in the first couple of years but I would say most did the years we won the CL and PL. As the team performance level dropped this year he got a bit more stick and comments questioning his commitment given the contract situation (which were out of order IMO) but seem par for the course nowadays.

[Kenneth]

There’s not much wrong with brainless criticism either. Let’s say his form last season was all tiredness, all that says is that people questioning his commitment on the Internet were wrong. What’s the problem and how’s it relevant to him leaving? I definitely don’t believe that Liverpool fans are harsher and more commonly wrong than any other group, so I’m not sure of the relevance. The hints at potentially dramatic issues behind the scenes seems to have been nothing, and he’s not our player anymore, there doesn’t seem to be a cause for an inquisition so everyone carries on as before, and he starts a new life being abused in French.

[Mark79]

If you're repeatedly wrongly criticised about something, then what's the problem with answering back and correcting people about it?