Naby Keita

[Kenneth]

We do have control over what we want for them though. Maybe an undue reluctance to take a short term hit for long term gain plays a part.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I think it's all part of the game, some you win some you lose. Personally I would have liked us to have moved him on for a fee a couple of years ago when it was clear that it wasn't working out as planned, but as people say you can't force someone to bid. He wasn't the player we expected him to be but he has been ok as a squad player in that context his signing hasn't been a complete disaster, he has still been able to offer something and that's perhaps why we haven't bombed him out. Obviously as it turned out he wasn't worth the fee we paid but once he's in the squad he's not horribly out of his depth.

To be honest I find Ox the more frustrating signing of the two, I think we over paid for him given his contract situation and I was concerned from signing him about his injury record. He had that good run before his first injury were I thought I may have judged him prematurely. With Keita I can see why we spent the money we were hoping to get the player we saw in Germany, with Ox I never really though his potential was that much higher than when we got him, Keita looked a potential superstar, it just didn't happen for him.

Am more or less the same. Keita you could see why we bid so much for him. He was tearing up the Bundesliga and looked amazing, then we got him and broke him over and over.

Chamberlain was an odd one and I think a lot of us tried to convince ourselves there was a lot more there waiting to be unearthed by Klopp than there actually was.

However once bought you cannot simply get rid if a player does not want to go and more importantly if other clubs do not offer wat we want for them.


Neither are close to being the worst transfers we ever made in my eyes though be it from a value for money pov or a being a disgrace to the shirt pov.

Guys like Diouf are miles ahead on that score.

[baitman]

We all knew Ox was a permacroc at arsenal so unless he was having daily showers with river ganges holy water things were never going to change.
A few good games for ingurlund in meaningless friendlies made him look a world in at times, but he was never a sensible option. As bad a choice as Joe Cole or balotelli ffs!

[Exiled_red]

And if he had worked out it would have been a bargain. Like any transfer it was a gamble. Some work, some don't.

He goes in the summer, then we have what we were paying him to offer to a new player.

I think it's all part of the game, some you win some you lose. Personally I would have liked us to have moved him on for a fee a couple of years ago when it was clear that it wasn't working out as planned, but as people say you can't force someone to bid. He wasn't the player we expected him to be but he has been ok as a squad player in that context his signing hasn't been a complete disaster, he has still been able to offer something and that's perhaps why we haven't bombed him out. Obviously as it turned out he wasn't worth the fee we paid but once he's in the squad he's not horribly out of his depth.

To be honest I find Ox the more frustrating signing of the two, I think we over paid for him given his contract situation and I was concerned from signing him about his injury record. He had that good run before his first injury were I thought I may have judged him prematurely. With Keita I can see why we spent the money we were hoping to get the player we saw in Germany, with Ox I never really though his potential was that much higher than when we got him, Keita looked a potential superstar, it just didn't happen for him.

[danperkins]

THose first pages show how excited we all were......



Naby Keita 16/17 Bundesliga stats:

31 appearances
8 goals
7 assists
117 take-ons
164 tackles
69% passes directed forwards


He never lived up to BAitman's Black Sounness or probably many others on there

Horrendous signing and one of the ones I was so excited to get,, ANd we paid a premium to get him early

as I've said numerous times, one of the worst value for money signings in the clubs history. Absolute disaster.

[danperkins]

we can't force teams to bid on the players we want to get rid of. that'd be nice, but i think the answer to a lot of the questions folks have about why our squad hasn't been refreshed could be because nobody wanted them. AOC will have a hell of a time finding a club unless he drops his wage demands. any of our players who will be out of contract could be signing contracts abroad by now i think, and even on a free nobody has signed any of them yet.

maybe they're trying, who knows, but for the most part i think our midfield players just aren't worth what they'd sell for, and in some cases what their wages would be. you do get paid for seniority and time spent places, it's the same at my job, so i don't really blame the club for giving some of the contracts that they have over time, but it does mean that by the ends of those contracts, it may be that those players are just not worth that money anymore for anyone just starting a relationship with those players.

or even here.

[red g]

THose first pages show how excited we all were......



Naby Keita 16/17 Bundesliga stats:

31 appearances
8 goals
7 assists
117 take-ons
164 tackles
69% passes directed forwards


He never lived up to BAitman's Black Sounness or probably many others on there

Horrendous signing and one of the ones I was so excited to get,, ANd we paid a premium to get him early

[Mr Pink]

And if he had worked out it would have been a bargain. Like any transfer it was a gamble. Some work, some don't.

He goes in the summer, then we have what we were paying him to offer to a new player.

it didn’t work out, but tbf he looked like he was ticking all the boxes, when he was at Leipzig- just goes to show that sometimes ya just get unlucky and it doesn’t work out

[Mr Pink]

Having said all of that, it would probably still be a bad idea to extend his deal and throw good money after baf. I think.

This is it exactly- he’s always going to have been a bad signing, but as you say, no point in throwing good money after bad. We are where we are, best foot forward is to get rid of him. If some club was stupid enough to bid on him, it would have been great, but as they didn’t, we just need to cut our losses and wish the useless cunt all the best in his future endeavors

[Doc_Piptorious]

Nah i think it is to be honest. If we got 7 or 8 years out of him then id agree. But to sign a 23 year old, play him for 5 years and release him at 28 is a ****in **** gig. Again if he was like Gini and we literally flogged him for the 5 years, then you could justify it. But i think if he plays every game for the rest of the season (which he won't) then he will have made about 100 appearances for Liverpool.

So 53m transfer fee, 120k per week for 5 years amounts to an 84, 200,000 investment on lfcs part. £842,000 for every one of those 100 games that he played. This would have made Mbappe on a free transfer but a million quid a week wage look like a cheao deal all round.

Having said all of that, it would probably still be a bad idea to extend his deal and throw good money after baf. I think.

You just know that he will end up ripping it up at his next gig though ffs

And if he had worked out it would have been a bargain. Like any transfer it was a gamble. Some work, some don't.

He goes in the summer, then we have what we were paying him to offer to a new player.

[Venton]

He''s not garbage but he also wasn't good enough for us and certainly didn't give us anywhere near the return we thought we'd get for the outlay. On top of that he's spent absolutely ages in the treatment room. I'm still mystified why everyone expected a worldie from this guy. He never looked like it in Germany and the premiership is another league above. The only reason he's getting an innings now is because our midfield is looking dire and Klopp has to throw a lot of dice.

He wants a pay bump and a long contract and we'd be mad to give him one. Let him go. If he's the answer to our problems we're asking the wrong questions.

As to bad management, you'll always sign duffers, you just need to have a good proportion of good signings as well, and we've had plenty. Just go back to the Karius thread to see how long everyone hung on to the idea of him coming good after it was abundantly clear he was a dud.

[frank the tank]

Don't think it is. Wijnaldum left that way. Can left that way.

We got Milner that way. We got Matip that way.

And those are just recent examples for us.

Sometimes a player is happy to see out his contract or the club is happy not to renew a contract.

Nah i think it is to be honest. If we got 7 or 8 years out of him then id agree. But to sign a 23 year old, play him for 5 years and release him at 28 is a ****in **** gig. Again if he was like Gini and we literally flogged him for the 5 years, then you could justify it. But i think if he plays every game for the rest of the season (which he won't) then he will have made about 100 appearances for Liverpool.

So 53m transfer fee, 120k per week for 5 years amounts to an 84, 200,000 investment on lfcs part. £842,000 for every one of those 100 games that he played. This would have made Mbappe on a free transfer but a million quid a week wage look like a cheao deal all round.

Having said all of that, it would probably still be a bad idea to extend his deal and throw good money after baf. I think.

You just know that he will end up ripping it up at his next gig though ffs

[little dave hedgehog]

we can't force teams to bid on the players we want to get rid of. that'd be nice, but i think the answer to a lot of the questions folks have about why our squad hasn't been refreshed could be because nobody wanted them. AOC will have a hell of a time finding a club unless he drops his wage demands. any of our players who will be out of contract could be signing contracts abroad by now i think, and even on a free nobody has signed any of them yet.

maybe they're trying, who knows, but for the most part i think our midfield players just aren't worth what they'd sell for, and in some cases what their wages would be. you do get paid for seniority and time spent places, it's the same at my job, so i don't really blame the club for giving some of the contracts that they have over time, but it does mean that by the ends of those contracts, it may be that those players are just not worth that money anymore for anyone just starting a relationship with those players.

or even here.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Regardless of what we think of Naby as a player, losing a guy we paid over 50m for in his prime on a free is shocking squad management https://twitter.com/plettigoal/statu...32715639050241

Don't think it is. Wijnaldum left that way. Can left that way.

We got Milner that way. We got Matip that way.

And those are just recent examples for us.

Sometimes a player is happy to see out his contract or the club is happy not to renew a contract.

[Irishnev]

Regardless of what we think of Naby as a player, losing a guy we paid over 50m for in his prime on a free is shocking squad management [ame="https://twitter.com/plettigoal/status/1622632715639050241"]https://twitter.com/plettigoal/status/1622632715639050241[/ame]