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  • rodo
    Shankly
    • Aug 2006
    • 9708

    #736
    exactly "we were" should always try and improve from a position of strength
    Oh I say his vision there was lovely

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    • Fredo
      Not to be taken seriously
      • Aug 2010
      • 35173

      #737
      But we are improving. The margin for improvement in the current crop of players is why Klopp hasn't spent a lot this pre season. We did our business last year and the year before.
      Are we winning?

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      • poorscousertommy
        Dalglish
        • Dec 2006
        • 3836

        #738
        Originally posted by Fredo
        But we are improving. The margin for improvement in the current crop of players is why Klopp hasn't spent a lot this pre season. We did our business last year and the year before.
        It's great you're positive and all but quite frankly I think that argument doesn't work.

        We can always add strength to the squad. Even if it's only one signing. We've just won the European Cup and still need to improve.

        City won the domestic treble and are still upgrading their team.

        Stand still and you risk falling behind City again and letting a team like Spurs closer to us.

        We showed last season that you can turn around over 20 points against a team in the way we got closer to City.

        If you think Spurs landing N'Dombele, and potentially Dybala and Coutinho is not going to give them a chance to replicate that then that's fair enough.

        But it's my opinion that we are giving them that chance.

        It's utter bollocks from the club to spout about not having money. Our net spend is small against our rivals and we have bigger revenue than most of them.

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        • Fredo
          Not to be taken seriously
          • Aug 2010
          • 35173

          #739
          Spurs needed to invest. We don't.
          Are we winning?

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          • Phoenix07
            The Normal One
            • Sep 2008
            • 10405

            #740
            I really think it's about our future targets.

            I remember in the summer of the 17/18 season, when we made that statement about pulling out of pursuing Van Dijk, and then we didn't sign another CB. We went bat**** crazy. Now we've got a God in defence.

            And Spurs have shown that you don't need to sign anyone to to replicate form (last season).

            Next summer, we may have to deal with one, or both of Salah and Mane looking to leave. Then there'll be the form of Origi and Shaqiri to look at too.

            We may have to go very big next summer, and to secure the targets Klopp wants, we're probably having to wait.

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            • Norbs
              Big Girl's Blouse
              • Jun 2007
              • 42645

              #741
              Originally posted by poorscousertommy
              It's great you're positive and all but quite frankly I think that argument doesn't work.

              We can always add strength to the squad. Even if it's only one signing. We've just won the European Cup and still need to improve.

              City won the domestic treble and are still upgrading their team.

              Stand still and you risk falling behind City again and letting a team like Spurs closer to us.

              We showed last season that you can turn around over 20 points against a team in the way we got closer to City.

              If you think Spurs landing N'Dombele, and potentially Dybala and Coutinho is not going to give them a chance to replicate that then that's fair enough.

              But it's my opinion that we are giving them that chance.

              It's utter bollocks from the club to spout about not having money. Our net spend is small against our rivals and we have bigger revenue than most of them.
              Hard to argue that

              There are gaps in our squad too, I've not seen a single fan say that our squad is complete. Surely we could have afforded to spend £50-£70m to shore it up

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              • Fredo
                Not to be taken seriously
                • Aug 2010
                • 35173

                #742
                Originally posted by Norbs
                Hard to argue that



                There are gaps in our squad too, I've not seen a single fan say that our squad is complete. Surely we could have afforded to spend £50-£70m to shore it up
                We need backups but the first team is good as any. If you spend £70m on someone who is gonna sit on the bench, you are sending the wrong signal.
                Are we winning?

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                • Fosterbloke
                  Run the Jewels
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 39095

                  #743
                  #Mbappe2020
                  Was mu

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                  • poorscousertommy
                    Dalglish
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 3836

                    #744
                    Originally posted by Fredo
                    We need backups but the first team is good as any. If you spend £70m on someone who is gonna sit on the bench, you are sending the wrong signal.
                    Rubbish! You're putting pressure on players to not be complacent.

                    City bought Mahrez and have the likes of him and Sane on the bench ffs!

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                    • Norbs
                      Big Girl's Blouse
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 42645

                      #745
                      Originally posted by Fredo
                      We need backups but the first team is good as any. If you spend £70m on someone who is gonna sit on the bench, you are sending the wrong signal.
                      I didn't mean on one player, possibly 2 or 3. Our first 11 is great but the drop off is significant, albeit looking ok on paper

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                      • Fredo
                        Not to be taken seriously
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 35173

                        #746
                        Originally posted by Norbs
                        I didn't mean on one player, possibly 2 or 3. Our first 11 is great but the drop off is significant, albeit looking ok on paper
                        I don't think there is much of a drop off, bar the front three. Our subs pushed us on another level on Sunday.

                        As for the front three, these are arguably the best front three in the world. Anyone else would be a drop off.
                        Are we winning?

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                        • labourRed
                          Paisley
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 13454

                          #747
                          Originally posted by poorscousertommy
                          It's great you're positive and all but quite frankly I think that argument doesn't work.

                          We can always add strength to the squad. Even if it's only one signing. We've just won the European Cup and still need to improve.

                          City won the domestic treble and are still upgrading their team.

                          Stand still and you risk falling behind City again and letting a team like Spurs closer to us.

                          We showed last season that you can turn around over 20 points against a team in the way we got closer to City.

                          If you think Spurs landing N'Dombele, and potentially Dybala and Coutinho is not going to give them a chance to replicate that then that's fair enough.

                          But it's my opinion that we are giving them that chance.

                          It's utter bollocks from the club to spout about not having money. Our net spend is small against our rivals and we have bigger revenue than most of them.
                          Pretty much exactly my thoughts. All the trotted out answers to this summer's activity don't say the squad is perfect, they all have the caveat of, we have to pay the bills, etc. It's an uncomfortable lie IMO.

                          I'm not sure what the strategy is and we won't know for a few years. It could just be the case that FSG aren't willing to invest but it'd be guesswork to suggest anything really. No one will criticise owners a year after a big summer and winning big ears so they've certainly got PR credit in the bank even if this season doesn't work out.

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                          • Mark79
                            Paisley
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 11006

                            #748
                            Originally posted by Fredo
                            We need backups but the first team is good as any. If you spend £70m on someone who is gonna sit on the bench, you are sending the wrong signal.
                            Why would they be sitting on the bench?

                            4 players rotating across the front 3 easily leaves 30+ starts for all of them, across all competitions. That's without including CL knockout stages.
                            And this would still allow Origi and Brewster some starts too.
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                            • Fredo
                              Not to be taken seriously
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 35173

                              #749
                              Originally posted by Pepe79
                              Why would they be sitting on the bench?



                              4 players rotating across the front 3 easily leaves 30+ starts for all of them, across all competitions. That's without including CL knockout stages.

                              And this would still allow Origi and Brewster some starts too.
                              Tell Mané, Salah or Firmino they will be rotated and will be playing only 30 games.
                              Are we winning?

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                              • The_weatherman
                                Smug
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 14177

                                #750
                                Originally posted by poorscousertommy
                                It's great you're positive and all but quite frankly I think that argument doesn't work.

                                We can always add strength to the squad. Even if it's only one signing. We've just won the European Cup and still need to improve.

                                City won the domestic treble and are still upgrading their team.

                                Stand still and you risk falling behind City again and letting a team like Spurs closer to us.

                                We showed last season that you can turn around over 20 points against a team in the way we got closer to City.

                                If you think Spurs landing N'Dombele, and potentially Dybala and Coutinho is not going to give them a chance to replicate that then that's fair enough.

                                But it's my opinion that we are giving them that chance.

                                It's utter bollocks from the club to spout about not having money. Our net spend is small against our rivals and we have bigger revenue than most of them.
                                I really hope your wrong but I tend to agree, at least one top player to freshen up the squad, and I don't think Fredo has ever been proven right with his optimism bouts. Which got me a bit worried.
                                * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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