Thiago Alcantara

[Fredo]

Have to say I'm pretty shocked at how bad he's been. I thought Barnes dived by Thiago always seems to leave a foot in. Painfully slow in possession and doing **** all with it. Gobsmacked at how poor he has been to be honest.

What did you expect? Have we turned him to ****?

He's playing in a team struggling for results; the criticism is unfair.

[Kenneth]

Maybe to improve it? To be able to tackle to as a minimum.

[danperkins]

Proven class player, been pretty ****. Fair to say?

[Fredo]

But you wanted a centre back and Klopp brought you two. So take it.

[Liverpool]

Was his tackling this bad at Bayern. Loads of youtube comps on him winning the ball back with excellent timing and sniffing out the danger. He's more Sunday league hungover vibes for us.

[danperkins]

But you wanted a centre back and Klopp brought you two. So take it.

What are you on about? I wanted a CB in the summer as did so many or at the start of the Jan window when we knew we were up ****s creek.... not the last day. You've been arguing against this for months and the facts are there that we gambled in two windows and it have massively backfired. I said months ago the owners not spending short term could impact massively long term even if covid has ****ed things. Short term pain for long term gain, now we are in real trouble and we may very feel feel the knock on effects off not qualifying for the champs league next season.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Have to say I'm pretty shocked at how bad he's been. I thought Barnes dived by Thiago always seems to leave a foot in. Painfully slow in possession and doing **** all with it. Gobsmacked at how poor he has been to be honest.

Well if he is ****, then where does that put TAA, Robertson,Firmino, Mane, Wijnaldum, Milner, Jones and a few others? You know guys who have all been in the team for years or through the system of the club for years.

Trent has been very poor for a good chunk of this season. Roberston has been so so at best. Milner and Wijnaldum look like they never played for the club before more often than not, and Jones has looked between very average to totally anonymous.

If a new player to the club and country is to be held to the standard that gets him called ****, then none of the rest can be judged to any lesser standard or have excuses made for them.

TAA great last season? Even more reason to not be **** this season.
Jones a young lad breaking into the team? He is well used to the city and club set up so no exuces then.

Am being a bit facetious with some of the comments, but the point stands as such, how can we be expecting a new player to the club like Thiago to suddenly look great when playing out of position after having missed a chunk of the pre season with covid and then a chunk of the season with a bad injury when all around him are regulars, that we have all lauded in the past, who are all playing well below par more often than not?

Is easy to say that Thiago needs to show more, but might be more accurate to say that our stalwarts need to start showing again why we all thought they were top class players and mentality monsters.


So far this season the only nailed on starters or regular starters from last season that can hold their heads up and say they are doing their jobs this season are Fabinho, Henderson, Salah, and for the most part Alisson.

If it were as simple a thing as Thiago being ****, we should be able to start with more of last season's guys in the centre and expect improvement. Thing in none of those guys are coming close to what we need at present and we have Fabinho and Henderson doing well but totally out of position.

[danperkins]

Well if he is ****, then where does that put TAA, Robertson,Firmino, Mane, Wijnaldum, Milner, Jones and a few others? You know guys who have all been in the team for years or through the system of the club for years.

Trent has been very poor for a good chunk of this season. Roberston has been so so at best. Milner and Wijnaldum look like they never played for the club before more often than not, and Jones has looked between very average to totally anonymous.

If a new player to the club and country is to be held to the standard that gets him called ****, then none of the rest can be judged to any lesser standard or have excuses made for them.

TAA great last season? Even more reason to not be **** this season.
Jones a young lad breaking into the team? He is well used to the city and club set up so no exuces then.

Am being a bit facetious with some of the comments, but the point stands as such, how can we be expecting a new player to the club like Thiago to suddenly look great when playing out of position after having missed a chunk of the pre season with covid and then a chunk of the season with a bad injury when all around him are regulars, that we have all lauded in the past, who are all playing well below par more often than not?

Is easy to say that Thiago needs to show more, but might be more accurate to say that our stalwarts need to start showing again why we all thought they were top class players and mentality monsters.


So far this season the only nailed on starters or regular starters from last season that can hold their heads up and say they are doing their jobs this season are Fabinho, Henderson, Salah, and for the most part Alisson.

If it were as simple a thing as Thiago being ****, we should be able to start with more of last season's guys in the centre and expect improvement. Thing in none of those guys are coming close to what we need at present and we have Fabinho and Henderson doing well but totally out of position.

Well it is the Thiago thread mate

But yeah I agree several others lads have been way below par for quite some time. Gini and Robbo only the last few months whereas Bobby and Trent it has been much much longer.

[Kenneth]

Obviously he's not ****. When you bring in a big name player, everyone expects them to make a difference, to improve the team, to show what they can do, even if others aren't doing their bit. Some hit the ground running, like Fernandes, some flop totally, like Bale, but Thiago has had a completely neutral effect on us at best. And that's disappointing.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Well it is the Thiago thread mate

But yeah I agree several others lads have been way below par for quite some time. Gini and Robbo only the last few months whereas Bobby and Trent it has been much much longer.

So what you are saying is all those players have been playing badly for months then and Thiago got to come into the team and play out of position alongsie those regular as they continued to play badly.

Do not think it is too hard to see why he is not looking as amazing as he did at Bayern when he is surrounded by players not performing from when he came into our team.

No settled CBs behind him, midfielders playing poorly around him, and our usual width from fullback both out of form. Throw in Mane and Bobby being well below par as well and not sure how Thiago is meant to be good enough to pull all of them up a few notches.

The way we are playing at present you could throw Mbappe into our team and we would make him look bad, assuming he did not get injured somehow.

[Kenneth]

Because that's what special players can do, sometimes.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Obviously he's not ****. When you bring in a big name player, everyone expects them to make a difference, to improve the team, to show what they can do, even if others aren't doing their bit. Some hit the ground running, like Fernandes, some flop totally, like Bale, but Thiago has had a completely neutral effect on us at best. And that's disappointing.

Would argue that Fernandes from day one have enough players doing the work horse side of the game to a competent enough level more often than not to let him focus on his own game. Along with the not so insignificant advantage of having a pretty settled team around him that was not going through a collective massive drop in form.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Because that's what special players can do, sometimes.

Special players? You mean like Mane, TAA, Firmino, Robertson and so on? Seems to me that we have a team full of special players who are anything but on the pitch right now.

Or maybe it is down to the new guy coming back from injury and playing out of position to make them all play less crap

[danperkins]

So what you are saying is all those players have been playing badly for months then and Thiago got to come into the team and play out of position alongsie those regular as they continued to play badly.

Do not think it is too hard to see why he is not looking as amazing as he did at Bayern when he is surrounded by players not performing from when he came into our team.

No settled CBs behind him, midfielders playing poorly around him, and our usual width from fullback both out of form. Throw in Mane and Bobby being well below par as well and not sure how Thiago is meant to be good enough to pull all of them up a few notches.

The way we are playing at present you could throw Mbappe into our team and we would make him look bad, assuming he did not get injured somehow.

What I am saying is a world class player is playing ****, not that he is ****. I have said similar about Bobby & Trent in their respective threads as it is the truth.

Regardless of how poorly we are playing, he isn't even doing the basics. Why am I so disappointed? Because is by far the best technical footballer in that squad and one of the best in the world, so not only do I expect better from him, I expect him to complete the basics of the game. He has not had the impact any of us thought he would regardless of the situation.

[Kenneth]

They were consistently average, and he has improved them significantly. If Thiago isn't that player to improve our midfield then that's fine, but it's still disappointing.