Diogo Jota

[DerKrampus]

How do I say this? I think people should get comfortable with the idea that, in a case of a supercar crashing during an overtaking manoeuvre, there is likely to be some degree of culpability placed on the driver. Most incidents involve a number of factors, be it the road design and condition, the car, other drivers, weather etc, but the decisions/actions of the driver are highly likely to be a contributing factor. This shouldn't be taken as an insult, or something to reject for emotional convenience. It wouldn't make the event any less tragic or less worthy of grief.

In some respects it does because if someone ihas acted like a dickhead, endangering themselves and others then that culpability has to play a part in whether it's a tragic accident or partly self inflicted.

[vlahka]

Overtaking someone generally means you're speeding up. High chance he was over the limit either way. The amount of people that overtake me while I'm doing the limit is insane, and they're not in a Lamborghini. Meanwhile I do 5km/h more and got charged $190. Infuriating.

[Scratch]

To be honest, if it weren't for the fact it is Diogo, we'd be thinking speed was the issue...late at night, empty motorway, high powered Lambo, the aftermath. They may not have been going 'pedal to the metal' so to speak, but there is a high probability that they weren't doing the legal limit.

As for the 'it's all speculation' part. For us yes, but I imagine the crash scene investigators have a lot more info than we do, and they have only released the parts that they are relatively certain about; tyre blowout, passing another vehicle at speed and that they believe Diogo was driving.

[Cerbie]

Everything is speculation, I'm just saying that, in any major car crash, the actions of the driver will come under scrutiny, and it's often the case that the cause has multiple aspects, and the decisions of the driver often form part of it. People should be prepared for this.

As I said, I hear you Kenneth. In the event of a tragedy like this, looking into all the information available is a coping mechanism for me as I have no faith to fall back on. I need to understand what happened. Lambos don’t spontaneously combust no matter what speed they are travelling at.

My ADHD brain loves a rabbit hole, but it also allows me to process a lot of info quickly and there is way too much that has been glossed over for the Police to simply blame it on Jota and speeding. That’s triggered a sense of injustice which I’ll always fight against.

[Mark79]

The possibility of excessive speed being a factor was always there.

It's the complete volte-face regarding the conditions of the highway that is jarring.

[Cerbie]

To be honest, if it weren't for the fact it is Diogo, we'd be thinking speed was the issue...late at night, empty motorway, high powered Lambo, the aftermath. They may not have been going 'pedal to the metal' so to speak, but there is a high probability that they weren't doing the legal limit.

As for the 'it's all speculation' part. For us yes, but I imagine the crash scene investigators have a lot more info than we do, and they have only released the parts that they are relatively certain about; tyre blowout, passing another vehicle at speed and that they believe Diogo was driving.

The blow out claim has to come from a Lambo tyre that was found away from the wreckage - otherwise it would have melted. How the tyre (designed for >200 mph) came to deflate is what I need to understand.

[fidget]

I don't care if it turns out that he was speeding or that the motorway was full of potholes.
It's still a ****ing tragedy. The authorities will always try to get their spin in early regardless.

[Scratch]

No one is saying it isn't a tragedy, but the facts have to be established and lesson's can be learnt.

Lessons like should clubs have "no sports car" clauses, or force their players to undergo special courses to be able to drive one....still can't believe that someone like me (if I had the money) could just hop in a 200mph sports car and drive it. The acceleration, the grip, the difference in driving position. But all these things can be addressed at a later date, but the facts of the accident are required.

But again, doesn't stop it being a tragedy.

[baitman]

No one is saying it isn't a tragedy, but the facts have to be established and lesson's can be learnt.

Lessons like should clubs have "no sports car" clauses, or force their players to undergo special courses to be able to drive one....still can't believe that someone like me (if I had the money) could just hop in a 200mph sports car and drive it. The acceleration, the grip, the difference in driving position. But all these things can be addressed at a later date, but the facts of the accident are required.

But again, doesn't stop it being a tragedy.

No sports cars seems very sensible to protect our over paid assets and will limit the risk.
If there are pot holes on an mway and you hit them at high speed (say 100mph+) then very low profile performance tyres can easily fail and cause a crash.
Many less high end cars are still capable of being driven to extremes too.

[Kenneth]

As I said, I hear you Kenneth. In the event of a tragedy like this, looking into all the information available is a coping mechanism for me as I have no faith to fall back on. I need to understand what happened. Lambos don’t spontaneously combust no matter what speed they are travelling at.

My ADHD brain loves a rabbit hole, but it also allows me to process a lot of info quickly and there is way too much that has been glossed over for the Police to simply blame it on Jota and speeding. That’s triggered a sense of injustice which I’ll always fight against.

I understand.

[DerKrampus]

Sounds to me that either the tyres weren't compliant, or the road wasn't.

[Angryred]

Sounds to me that either the tyres weren't compliant, or the road wasn't.

Unfamiliarity with the area doesn't help either as hard to spot the potential risks in the dark.

[Catrin]

There's a lot we don't know. Was it an UK car and thus probably right hand drive? Was it normally kept in Portugal and could therefore have been sitting in a garage for several months? If the condition of the road was poor then at least that isn't something the authorities can easily cover up. We'll have to wait and see but whatever the cause hopefully lessons will be learned and Diogo will be the last to lose his life like this.

[Corndog]

There's a lot we don't know. Was it an UK car and thus probably right hand drive? Was it normally kept in Portugal and could therefore have been sitting in a garage for several months? If the condition of the road was poor then at least that isn't something the authorities can easily cover up. We'll have to wait and see but whatever the cause hopefully lessons will be learned and Diogo will be the last to lose his life like this.

These luxury sports cars apparently don’t even have an ANCAP safety rating because there is so few produced. Only a year before Antonio almost killed himself when one slipped out of his control.

They apparently aren’t very stable and are very prone to catching fire.

I’m no expert but some people think that if Jota had have been driving a normal car, he’d still likely be alive even if they veered off the road for whatever reason.

[Norbs]

There's a lot we don't know. Was it an UK car and thus probably right hand drive? Was it normally kept in Portugal and could therefore have been sitting in a garage for several months? If the condition of the road was poor then at least that isn't something the authorities can easily cover up. We'll have to wait and see but whatever the cause hopefully lessons will be learned and Diogo will be the last to lose his life like this.

Yep, I wondered the same about it being RHD. Was his brother travelling as a companion and then flying home?