Diogo Jota

[Cerbie]

More from the crash investigation.

BBC Article

I’m sorry but a single skid mark from a performance car with ABS that has allegedly had a blowout tells you little about the speed it was travelling. Also I’d be surprised if that skid mark is 100m long too, looks more like 25-30m to me.

Blaming Jota is v premature and unnecessary for me.

They seem to be deflecting from the questions on the condition of the road. There was a lot of debris on the hard shoulder more than 100m before the start of the skid marks on the night time video, which had disappeared from the day time videos. The orientation and the integrity of the armco barriers should also be looked at, as they may have been responsible for flipping the vehicle and seemed to have snapped at ground level. They were not parallel to the road as they are here in the UK.

There were also fresh double skid marks in the inside lane just after the wreckage. That’s not been commented upon.

[Mark79]

Last week we were being told that it’s one of the most dangerous roads in Spain and a notorious accident black spot.

Now we’re being told that it isn’t a black spot.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I’m sorry but a single skid mark from a performance car with ABS that has allegedly had a blowout tells you little about the speed it was travelling. Also I’d be surprised if that skid mark is 100m long too, looks more like 25-30m to me.

Blaming Jota is v premature and unnecessary for me.

They seem to be deflecting from the questions on the condition of the road. There was a lot of debris on the hard shoulder more than 100m before the start of the skid marks on the night time video, which had disappeared from the day time videos. The orientation and the integrity of the armco barriers should also be looked at, as they may have been responsible for flipping the vehicle and seemed to have snapped at ground level. They were not parallel to the road as they are here in the UK.

There were also fresh double skid marks in the inside lane just after the wreckage. That’s not been commented upon.

Think that is where the train of thought begins and ends for me. No issues with the accident being investigated and if it is found measures can be brought in, be they speed limit changes, improved road surfaces or whatever, that make things safer for future motorists then great.

However some sort of blame game not even a week after the deaths of two young men just seems ghoulish to me.

[Cerbie]

It totally smacks of a CYA exercise and an attempt to control the narrative by blaming someone who can’t defend himself.

[Mr Pink]

Think that is where the train of thought begins and ends for me. No issues with the accident being investigated and if it is found measures can be brought in, be they speed limit changes, improved road surfaces or whatever, that make things safer for future motorists then great.

However some sort of blame game not even a week after the deaths of two young men just seems ghoulish to me.

why would they make any statement, while the investigation isn’t complete. The statement is full of words like “possibly”, “probably”, “all evidence so far suggests”, etc. nothing definitive, so he can walk it back, if he needs to.

Maybe they were speeding, maybe the road was in crap conditions, maybe it was caused by a combination of both, but why release statements, speculating, until the investigation is complete.

[Buzzo]

Think that is where the train of thought begins and ends for me. No issues with the accident being investigated and if it is found measures can be brought in, be they speed limit changes, improved road surfaces or whatever, that make things safer for future motorists then great.

However some sort of blame game not even a week after the deaths of two young men just seems ghoulish to me.

[Tatterdemalion]

I don't really understand why cars that can travel multiple times the speed limit are even legal to sell, but then I don't drive. Of course footballers are going to buy and drive them. And frankly if you buy a Lambo, you're not doing it with the intention of always staying in the speed limit. But whether Jota was speeding or not is irrelevant to me. It wasn't with the intention of getting killed. The road? It doesn't matter in retrospect. Only whether or not improvements are required. I get that they have to investigate, but they're dead, and no blame game is going to bring them back.

[DerKrampus]

You'd think a car would have enough structural integrity to take a crash, even at high speed, let alone burst into flames. I mean it's a carbon fibre tub which is one of the strongest types there is.

There is a video of an incident in Eastern Europe where a Lambo Huracan (same colour too) lost control, crashed, and burst into flames. Miraculously both passengers escaped in time and survived.

They were travelling at 180mph+...

[Cerbie]

You'd think a car would have enough structural integrity to take a crash, even at high speed, let alone burst into flames. I mean it's a carbon fibre tub which is one of the strongest types there is.

There is a video of an incident in Eastern Europe where a Lambo Huracan (same colour too) lost control, crashed, and burst into flames. Miraculously both passengers escaped in time and survived.

They were travelling at 180mph+...

The Urus uses the Audi Q8 platform, it does not have a carbon chassis.

The Huracan has a hybrid carbon/aluminium chassis.

[edit] I thought he had been in the Urus, understand it was the Huracan now.

There was a scary crash at Nurburgring this week between a BMW and 911, they both hit the barriers and the front fuel tank of the Porsche explodes on impact ripping the front off the car. Driver survived. There the barriers did their job absorbing energy and pushing both cars back across the track. They were ‘tourists’ lapping the circuit for fun in road cars.

It looks like the barriers configuration at the Jota crash meant the Urus hit them head on (or possibly backwards) and they failed instantly taking little energy out of the collision.

[Kenneth]

How do I say this? I think people should get comfortable with the idea that, in a case of a supercar crashing during an overtaking manoeuvre, there is likely to be some degree of culpability placed on the driver. Most incidents involve a number of factors, be it the road design and condition, the car, other drivers, weather etc, but the decisions/actions of the driver are highly likely to be a contributing factor. This shouldn't be taken as an insult, or something to reject for emotional convenience. It wouldn't make the event any less tragic or less worthy of grief.

[Cerbie]

How do I say this? I think people should get comfortable with the idea that, in a case of a supercar crashing during an overtaking manoeuvre, there is likely to be some degree of culpability placed on the driver. Most incidents involve a number of factors, be it the road design and condition, the car, other drivers, weather etc, but the decisions/actions of the driver are highly likely to be a contributing factor. This shouldn't be taken as an insult, or something to reject for emotional convenience. It wouldn't make the event any less tragic or less worthy of grief.

I hear you Kenneth, but in this case there is a lack of information. Where is the other vehicle involved in the incident? Who was the driver and what were they claiming happened? Without some other evidence, the police are just coming up with a story that is a possible explanation for the crash and blaming the driver which isn’t acceptable at all.

[Norbs]

Is going round another vehicle on a dual carriageway classed as overtaking or is it just driving at a different speed to the other car? The idea that he was overtaking brings other connotations, such as him endangering other road users which may not be the case at all.

If there were other road users and they haven't stopped or given a statement then I'd be looking for more seriously at them for playing a part in the cause of accident

[Kenneth]

Everything is speculation, I'm just saying that, in any major car crash, the actions of the driver will come under scrutiny, and it's often the case that the cause has multiple aspects, and the decisions of the driver often form part of it. People should be prepared for this.

[Scratch]

Is going round another vehicle on a dual carriageway classed as overtaking or is it just driving at a different speed to the other car? The idea that he was overtaking brings other connotations, such as him endangering other road users which may not be the case at all.

If there were other road users and they haven't stopped or given a statement then I'd be looking for more seriously at them for playing a part in the cause of accident

I would have thought the fact that they know he was overtaking (or passing, as it is a dual carriageway I believe) another vehicle means that the other driver must have stopped at the scene, otherwise police wouldn't know the overtaking part?

[Norbs]

Very true, unless it was a different vehicle following behind. As Kenneth says, its all speculation.