Boxing

[Keyser Soze]

Fury is such an unlikeable cunt.

You not digging his overly tight fitting small trunks then

[Chazza]

Love him to get knocked out.

[spud_gun]

lummox

[spud_gun]

Hammer's corner wanted to see the Frampton fight

[Chazza]

Deep joy.

[Chazza]

Frampton v Quigg

[Chris]

Quiggs interview was hilarious, "it was a good performance" "only good, Scott?" "No, it was good". I felt for him a bit there, he can't talk well and they were mocking his phoney 'world champion' status. I think he's Enzo/Chisora and Carl is the David Haye, just different leagues. Starting to think he can beat Rigo too.

[Vermilion]

I see Snr. has stopped staring at JR. in between rounds and actually offered some advice for a change.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I see Snr. has stopped staring at JR. in between rounds and actually offered some advice for a change.

Remove Snr. from the role he has given himself, and I think Jnr. could go on to have an even greater legacy in the sport than his father did.


I think Jnr has a very different skillset to what his father had, but is getting held a bit in his development through trying to incorporate some of his father's style on top of his own.


Jnr has all the tools to be a lovely attacking boxer imo, but the slow start tactic that is being used in most of his fights does not suit him at all. He is good enough to be let try to impose himself onto a bout from the first round, but instead he starts off in a very restrained almost cautious manner before trying to overtake his opponent from the mid rounds onwards.

It had worked for the most part for him, but the Saunders bout should have been an eye opener for him and his camp as to the danger of letting the other guy grasp the initiative early doors.

[Chazza]

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[Vermilion]

Remove Snr. from the role he has given himself, and I think Jnr. could go on to have an even greater legacy in the sport than his father did.


I think Jnr has a very different skillset to what his father had, but is getting held a bit in his development through trying to incorporate some of his father's style on top of his own.


Jnr has all the tools to be a lovely attacking boxer imo, but the slow start tactic that is being used in most of his fights does not suit him at all. He is good enough to be let try to impose himself onto a bout from the first round, but instead he starts off in a very restrained almost cautious manner before trying to overtake his opponent from the mid rounds onwards.

It had worked for the most part for him, but the Saunders bout should have been an eye opener for him and his camp as to the danger of letting the other guy grasp the initiative early doors.

Yeah i've heard a lot of people say that he's a hindrance, thing that gets me is when Snr. is speaking to Jr. between rounds, Jr. just looks like he's all.....'who?...what?......i. caaan't. seeee youuuuu'.

There was a moment where Snr. was giving Jr. advice, he was telling him about where to hit/aim as the opponent stepped into him, he ended it by saying.....'and remember. to assk permissson. to throw the jab'.

I just love watching him.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Yeah i've heard a lot of people say that he's a hindrance, thing that gets me is when Snr. is speaking to Jr. between rounds, Jr. just looks like he's all.....'who?...what?......i. caaan't. seeee youuuuu'.

There was a moment where Snr. was giving Jr. advice, he was telling him about where to hit/aim as the opponent stepped into him, he ended it by saying.....'and remember. to assk permissson. to throw the jab'.

I just love watching him.

My own take on it, and it is something I discussed earlier in this thread, is that Senior is not bringing anything positive to Junior's corner. My hunch is that he is bringing a mix of his own (very understandable) demons and of his own need to be in the spotlight.

Neither of those things will help his son in any way in the ring. I totally understand Senior's hang ups and they all stem from that terrible night against Michael Watson. Senior was never the same fighter again after that night and his style switched to one of trying to do just enough to win. Would go as far as to say that after that night Senior never truly let go in the ring until he was past his prime and outmatched.

What I see in the advice he is offering his son is the same just try to do enough tactic and bout after bout it is leaving his son having to make up ground once the bout hit the middle to later rounds.

For me that is a very dangerous game to play as it ensures a bout lasts longer that it maybe should have, and it also means that Junior often needs to go all out from mid fight onwards which increases the risk of him being hurt or of him hurting the other guy. Obviously it is boxing and there is a risk the second the fighters enter the ring, but I am not a fan of any style or "tactics" that rely on making a boxer more desperate as the bout goes on.

It is different when circumstances forces a come from behind win, but going into bouts with that as a supposed tactic really rubs me the wrong way and I think that Senior should have nothing to do with Junior's corner during bouts.

His son is making his way in a very tough business, a very tough trade, and it is understandable that a father would want to pass on his knowledge, but all I see being passed on are insecurities. Junior has serious potential imho, but he needs to be boxing in a manner that suits his abilities rather than trying to take on aspects of the second stage of his father's fighting style/mentality.

For me the guy I would try to pair up with Junior would be Abel Sanchez. Sanchez has worked with a lot of the guys in the K2 stable and is of course the man who added some serious polish to Golovkin. Personally I would rate Abel Sanchez as the best in the business and he has been that for a number of years in my eyes. His work up in the Summit Gym is amazing and he spots the tiniest detail in a boxer's makeup and can instantly put a plan in place to exploit or improve. His ability to get his messages/beliefs across is also world class and even though he has not gotten the same sort of hype that lesser (imo of course) trainers do, he is as close in training terms as one can get to a peak Emanuel Steward (RIP) in terms of quality.

His preferred style would be tailor made for Eubank jnr's skill set, and I reckon he would take Junior up a number of levels. I am not trying to criticize Ronnie Davies and the work he has done with Junior, but my own feeling is that Senior gets a bit too much imput in that set up and he would not get that in a Sanchez training set up. Plus I would rate Sanchez as being the superior trainer by a long way.

[Robbie-fowler999]

Quiggs interview was hilarious, "it was a good performance" "only good, Scott?" "No, it was good". I felt for him a bit there, he can't talk well and they were mocking his phoney 'world champion' status. I think he's Enzo/Chisora and Carl is the David Haye, just different leagues. Starting to think he can beat Rigo too.

I think Frampton could/should beat Leo Santa Cruz if he (haymon) stops cherry picking. however i think Rigo is absolute class and might be too much for him.. and i think Rigo's power is underrated too.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I think Frampton could/should beat Leo Santa Cruz if he (haymon) stops cherry picking. however i think Rigo is absolute class and might be too much for him.. and i think Rigo's power is underrated too.

Very much so. He is not a one shot man, but he is still a hard hitter and if given a sniff of an opening he is very accurate with his power shots.

I got to watch some of his drills (Thanks to Gary Hyde) during his final preparatory period when he was in Ireland before his bout against Willie Casey. The emphasis was on skills along with ballistic movements, agility, and speed. His upper body plyometric training was very interesting to watch and as the "upper body" part suggests it was designed to maximise starting strength in all of his punches along with the explosive aspect of punching.

His body coordination was very impressive to say the least.

He has beautiful balance and his timing in the ring is impeccable. Just a fantastic natural talent and the only shame is that he was not able to enter the pro ranks earlier in his life. If he had managed to become a pro earlier than I think we might be talking about him today as one of the greats in his weight classes.


I do not think Frampton would beat him despite me rating Frampton . My hunch is that Rigondeaux would be too good defensively for Frampton, and also that Frampton would get frustrated by Rigondeaux's jab.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Khan seems to be struggling to get an opponent for May 23rd but looks to want no part of either Broner or Maidana who have both said they would be willing.


Wonder if Khan will go further than his usual "I would love to destroy X" or "I would love to beat Y" stuff he churns out on twitter and actually push to get one of the guys he says he is eager to beat into the same ring as him.


Would like to see Khan in with Maidana again to see whether Khan has improved as much as he likes to say over and over and over. Thought he was a little fortunate to take the decision against Maidana when last they met so would be interesting to see if the current more experience version of Khan could get a convincing win.