Boxing

[Doc_Piptorious]

Had a Google and couldn't find anything, but presumably several kilos as per usual. Although, I'm imagining not that much extra now that he's up at this weight. It seems that the WBC have reduced their cruiserweight limit to 190 because of this stupid new bridgerweight category. So, yes... Makabu will need to drop a considerable amount to make weight, there's always something with this.

Either way, it's good news for Benevidez and Munguia who are still a bit green for Canelo and could do with some more experience. Canelo has said though that he's conveniently reluctant to fight other Mexicans, so it remains to be seen if those fights will ever be made.

In other news, some title fights this weekend. Crawford and Andrade in action on the weekend. Not against each other obviously.

Yep Canelo would have been at least a half stone over the weight limit when he walked to the ring, probably more looking at him.

I'm not sold on Benevidez yet. On Paper he looks great and his KO rate looks great until you start digging into the names on his record. The only name on his record really is Dirrell and he was 35 or 36. For most of that fight Dirrell gave him all he could handle.


And yes Benevidez is green in a sense but at the same time he is a pro boxer eight years now so a lot of the handicap of not having had much of a career in the unpaid ranks should have been made up through his training by now.

Something about him screams good but overhyped to me. He can hit, but again there are questions over that until he lands on someone in their prime with genuine durability and that is able to hit back.


The Mexican comments that Canelo made had me laughing. Benevidez is American born and bred. He might have a Mexican father but he is American himself and when it suited Canelo in the past he dismissed Amercian born fighters who called themselves Mexican as not being Mexican.

As always with Canelo there will be some angle to exploit in order to face or not face someone.

[Zapater]

Had a Google and couldn't find anything, but presumably several kilos as per usual. Although, I'm imagining not that much extra now that he's up at this weight. It seems that the WBC have reduced their cruiserweight limit to 190 because of this stupid new bridgerweight category. So, yes... Makabu will need to drop a considerable amount to make weight, there's always something with this.

Either way, it's good news for Benevidez and Munguia who are still a bit green for Canelo and could do with some more experience. Canelo has said though that he's conveniently reluctant to fight other Mexicans, so it remains to be seen if those fights will ever be made.

In other news, some title fights this weekend. Crawford and Andrade in action on the weekend. Not against each other obviously.

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Any idea what Canelo weighed as he entered the ring against Plant?

Even if he win's an alphabet title at Cruiser I don't see Canelo going full Jones Jr here and claiming a title at heavyweight

[Zapater]

Canelo fighting... Ilunga Makabu someone who Bellew took out in 3 rounds. He'll no doubt win and be labelled a maverick for beating a second tier cruiser. I've seen him fight in the flesh a couple times in Johannesburg, he has decent punching power but is very average skills wise. Bad feet too, made to order for a smaller, better schooled opponent.

To be fair though, he has defended his cruiserweight title a few times, would love to see Canelo stopped but don't see it and wouldn't be surprised if there's some weight stipulation in the agreement. Like when Canelo started at "middleweight" draining guys at 157/8 catchweights.

Hopkins was born looking 75 so him looking 95 now means he is doing pretty well.


Fair point on the scoring too. Think the scoring was correct but every round won was earned the hard way. Was a very entertaining fight to watch.

Munguia is a talent and when he gets more quality round under his belt that he has to earn like against Rosado, you can only imagine that he will grow better from the experience.


The fight before it, Rocha vs Barraza, turned out to be way more one sided than I expected it to be and I was expecting it to be one way traffic to begin with.

Rocha just swarmed him from the first round and Barreza was surviving on guts alone for a long time, tbh I thought he was left take shots for maybe too long overall as it was very one sided for a long time and whilst he was still standing and answering the ref's calls, his corner should have made a decision for him instead of letting their man spend round after round taking a beating.

Think from about round four or five I was just repeating "Just fecking end it" over and over at the screen.

Barraza is going to be a sore lad for the next few days with all the hard shots he took to the body. Too brave for his own good.

It was unusual as Barraza was quite good in terms of movement and reflexes for a punching bag. Should've been pulled out a few rounds earlier, dodged and slipped just enough but was never in the fight. He'll probably be pissing blood for another week.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Decent scrap between Rosado and Munguia. A good example of how a competitive fight can be scored really wide. Munguia is really smooth, I like him, maybe still a little raw to take on some of the best but really good. Big too, you'd think he was dropping down a division not Rosado.

Competitive fight and Munguia had to work and take some decent shots, but he won just about every round, so the scorecards look bad but it shouldn't be seen as a poor reflection on Rosado.

Watching that Roach looks about 100 and Bernard Hopkins 95.

Hopkins was born looking 75 so him looking 95 now means he is doing pretty well.


Fair point on the scoring too. Think the scoring was correct but every round won was earned the hard way. Was a very entertaining fight to watch.

Munguia is a talent and when he gets more quality round under his belt that he has to earn like against Rosado, you can only imagine that he will grow better from the experience.


The fight before it, Rocha vs Barraza, turned out to be way more one sided than I expected it to be and I was expecting it to be one way traffic to begin with.

Rocha just swarmed him from the first round and Barreza was surviving on guts alone for a long time, tbh I thought he was left take shots for maybe too long overall as it was very one sided for a long time and whilst he was still standing and answering the ref's calls, his corner should have made a decision for him instead of letting their man spend round after round taking a beating.

Think from about round four or five I was just repeating "Just fecking end it" over and over at the screen.

Barraza is going to be a sore lad for the next few days with all the hard shots he took to the body. Too brave for his own good.

[Zapater]

Decent scrap between Rosado and Munguia. A good example of how a competitive fight can be scored really wide. Munguia is really smooth, I like him, maybe still a little raw to take on some of the best but really good. Big too, you'd think he was dropping down a division not Rosado.

Competitive fight and Munguia had to work and take some decent shots, but he won just about every round, so the scorecards look bad but it shouldn't be seen as a poor reflection on Rosado.

Watching that Roach looks about 100 and Bernard Hopkins 95.

[Doc_Piptorious]

It was a close fight; Plant doesn't have the power and you can see that but he's a good technician

Canelo was always going to win on the scorecards (it's Vegas!) but he also has the (contaminated meat) power to have stopped him whenever he really connected.

Canelo as first undisputed SM champion seems all kind of wrong to me but you beat what's put in front of you

Or you beat what you try your best to hand pick in the case of Canelo more often than not.

I agree Plant is a sound boxer. He moves well, he has a nice defense and his attacking patterns are quite effective in getting past an opponent's defense.

Unfortunately for him he is badly lacking in any sort of decent power. If he even had middling power he might have been able to put some doubt in Canelo. Course if Plant had middling power or better then Canelo would have found easier fare as said earlier or found a way to work some stipultaions into a bout.

[RichC]

Ended up watching a replay of the fight mainly due to the exchange between Rich C and Fidget


Statistically/on paper Canelo was dominant, but Plant was the cleaner operator to my eyes for periods of the fight however Plant was so utterly lacking in any sort of power that Canelo openly walked into a lot as there was nothing to worry him or force him into being more tactical.

Think if Plant had any sort of power at all to his punching then Canelo would have tightened up and fought a very different fight. Then again if Plant had any real power Canelo probably would have faced someone else.

Tried scoring it as I watched and had it at 95 -95 after 10 rounds though there was a round that could have gone either way for me.

I gave Plant rounds 1, 4, 8, 9 and 10. Canelo got 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7.

Round 8 was the one I felt could have gone either way but I gave it to Plant. Canelo looked more aggressive in round 8, but a lot of his shots only hit arm and did not connect cleanly. So gave it to Plant for his defensve work in the round.


Edit: Do feel that the fight was one that Canelo could have ended sooner though as he could have walked Plant down a few rounds earlier imo such was the difference in punching power and durability between them

It was a close fight; Plant doesn't have the power and you can see that but he's a good technician

Canelo was always going to win on the scorecards (it's Vegas!) but he also has the (contaminated meat) power to have stopped him whenever he really connected.

Canelo as first undisputed SM champion seems all kind of wrong to me but you beat what's put in front of you

[Doc_Piptorious]

Ended up watching a replay of the fight mainly due to the exchange between Rich C and Fidget


Statistically/on paper Canelo was dominant, but Plant was the cleaner operator to my eyes for periods of the fight however Plant was so utterly lacking in any sort of power that Canelo openly walked into a lot as there was nothing to worry him or force him into being more tactical.

Think if Plant had any sort of power at all to his punching then Canelo would have tightened up and fought a very different fight. Then again if Plant had any real power Canelo probably would have faced someone else.

Tried scoring it as I watched and had it at 95 -95 after 10 rounds though there was a round that could have gone either way for me.

I gave Plant rounds 1, 4, 8, 9 and 10. Canelo got 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7.

Round 8 was the one I felt could have gone either way but I gave it to Plant. Canelo looked more aggressive in round 8, but a lot of his shots only hit arm and did not connect cleanly. So gave it to Plant for his defensve work in the round.


Edit: Do feel that the fight was one that Canelo could have ended sooner though as he could have walked Plant down a few rounds earlier imo such was the difference in punching power and durability between them

[RichC]

Bless.

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I’m happy for you

[RichC]

Vegas scoring cards for their cash cow. Remember Mayweather was a split decision after dominating him for 12 Rounds.

What I saw was Plant out box him, clear as day.

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[RichC]

I don’t think it was commanding; Plant outboxed him for the vast majority of that fight.

Staying clear of contaminated meat seems to be Canelos issue though

[fidget]

Another commanding performance from the extremely talented drug cheat