Boxing

[Doc_Piptorious]

Williams v Eubank Jr tonight.

Was almost looking forward to it, then realised I had the wrong Liam (and weightclass for that matter) in my head. Smith not Williams.

So back to not being interested in the fight again.

But it has resparked my curiosity as to what is the point of Eubank jr in a ring? 11 years a pro and yet to beat a a proper decent fighter in their prime.

His two biggest challenges on that front would probably have been Saunders and Groves and both of them beat Sugar Ray Dickdrip jr.


Also reminded me that the only two fights I would like to see at middle weight right now are Charlo vs Andrade (think that would be a peach of a fight) and Dickdrip jr in with Green Piss Canelo (though that can happen a weight up if they want and would be the one and only time I would root for the cheating tainted meat eater)

[Doc_Piptorious]

This boxing thread is one of the reasons I keep coming back to EST - you serious fellas are ****ing great, proper insight and it doesn't seem like you're blagging it. I've also enjoyed the spats where someone was getting fed up that the standard of posting had dropped
(Was it spud_gun? can't remember)

One I was interested in, given the comparisons with the 90s at heavyweight conversations and how these guys couldn't mix it with that era - where would the fringe of that era stand in comparison to now?

Fellas I always remember as being there or there about - David Tua is one. What about Gary Mason? He never seemed to get the big fights (other than Lennox and Biggs), but his record looked pretty good from what I remember - he seemed more impressive to my untrained eye than someone like Dillian Whyte, but I could be wrong.

Would a peak Tua, Golota, Gary Mason have done anything now?

Yes, maybe, no.


Peak Tua would be a wrecking ball in the current era imo. Don't think there is anyone now good enough to expose his limitations whilst still holding him off the way Lennox Lewis did. Anyone that says Fury back at me can GTF.

Golota.....think he might have been a Parker level figher nowadays...maybe or might just a level below that as he flattered to deceive in his own era.

Mason...Would be a Chisora level fighter in the current era imo. Think Whyte is at least level above what peak Mason was.



Think a lot of the other fringe guys and/or somewhat underrated from the 1990s would be very much in the mix, if not the stand out guys, if peak them existed now.


Think guys like Moorer, Douglas, and Byrd ( just for Zap to think on) would have done very well in the current era, all for different reasons stylistically, and Ibeabuchi,who I think was a total waste of talent in his own era due to his out of the ring **** ups and manic behaviour, would have looked amazing in the current era imho.

[Daniel 7]

This boxing thread is one of the reasons I keep coming back to EST - you serious fellas are ****ing great, proper insight and it doesn't seem like you're blagging it. I've also enjoyed the spats where someone was getting fed up that the standard of posting had dropped
(Was it spud_gun? can't remember)

One I was interested in, given the comparisons with the 90s at heavyweight conversations and how these guys couldn't mix it with that era - where would the fringe of that era stand in comparison to now?

Fellas I always remember as being there or there about - David Tua is one. What about Gary Mason? He never seemed to get the big fights (other than Lennox and Biggs), but his record looked pretty good from what I remember - he seemed more impressive to my untrained eye than someone like Dillian Whyte, but I could be wrong.

Would a peak Tua, Golota, Gary Mason have done anything now?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Actually you have given me a great idea how to save boxing, Buzzo.


Tag team boxing



Zap, you're with me fella. We can get the use of a ring in Birmingham, Manchester or Glasgow easily enough. Buzzo and Shaggy can meet us there.

[Doc_Piptorious]

You have monumentally misread the room here.

They are serious. As. ****. About boxing in here.

Pretty much everything I’ve ever posted about in here goes without response due to my lack of knowledge.

We let Shaggy in here don't we? So not that serious a thread






Sorry Shaggy







Not sorry




Now **** off back to the egg ball thread

[Buzzo]

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You have monumentally misread the room here.

They are serious. As. ****. About boxing in here.

Pretty much everything I’ve ever posted about in here goes without response due to my lack of knowledge.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Fair enough, in developed countries there are actually routes. Being from South Africa, I've heard of horror stories of corruption from twisted entities just to get into the qualification process. Even though the quality has somewhat dried up a little in recent years, there is a lot of talent who would suit the amateur style throughout the country. The catalogue of world champions, particularly at lower weights over the last 30 years or so highlights this. Isn't it funny that almost none of them got a shot at the Olympics? Either robbed or bullied into signing professional deals from promotors and so on. I think there's probably been 30+ world champions/title challengers but not an Olympic medal in the same timeline.

Comparing amateur programmes from the US, UK, Ireland, Russia, Ukraine, Cuba and the odd outlier doesn't really paint a clear picture. Is it about who can produce the talent or who has the best administrative practices?

Yeah I can appreciate there will be differing POVs on it depending on where one lives and their own take on the amatuer sport in their own country. Not to mention those rose tinted specs as well.


I am admittedly looking at the smaller picture and how it impacts local fighters, local clubs and local communities in Ireland with an eye also on the knock on effect it has at that level.

Now widen the scope a little and things like what happened to Conlon muddy the waters and the various ways others make money off of the sport and the layers and layers of corruption and deception raise their many many heads.

Then bring in how things are in other countries and a whole other can of worms is opened.

And yes there are plenty of other very good tournaments for those in the unpaid ranks, but I think it will still be a sad day for the sport if it gets phased out of the Olympics given the history of the sport in those games and as those games move towards being further and further away from what they once were and once represented.

[Zapater]

I would not be overly happy with boxing being removed for pretty much this reason and also for how high profile boxers at the Olympics do help keep numbers signing up for the first time at local ABCs.

I know in Ireland that there was always an uptick in kids trying bosing out for the first time when Katie Taylor was doing well. Same again recently with the wonderful (in and out of the ring) Kellie Harrington and further back with the likes of Michael Currath, Darren Sutherland (RIP) and how it helped push the trainer side of things with folk like the excellent Billy Walsh inspiring people to turn their in ring experience into a way to teach others.

The Olympics themselves I tend to regards as ****show that is riddled with corruption, but it has always had a knock on effect at grass roots level for certain sports, boxing being one of them.

Think with me it might be more a case of nostalgia over what it used to mean to reach or come close to reaching an Olympic team spot and seeing how much that meant to young boxers, and then seeing the next generation being inspired by the names they saw representing their country.

May well be that if I took off the rose tinted specs my opinion might be more in line with your take.

Fair enough, in developed countries there are actually routes. Being from South Africa, I've heard of horror stories of corruption from twisted entities just to get into the qualification process. Even though the quality has somewhat dried up a little in recent years, there is a lot of talent who would suit the amateur style throughout the country. The catalogue of world champions, particularly at lower weights over the last 30 years or so highlights this. Isn't it funny that almost none of them got a shot at the Olympics? Either robbed or bullied into signing professional deals from promotors and so on. I think there's probably been 30+ world champions/title challengers but not an Olympic medal in the same timeline.

Comparing amateur programmes from the US, UK, Ireland, Russia, Ukraine, Cuba and the odd outlier doesn't really paint a clear picture. Is it about who can produce the talent or who has the best administrative practices?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Even though the Olympics are important for launching pro careers, I don't think that's a bad thing. The Olympics are a joke. It's all professionals (boxing too, right?) and **** non-sports, like skateboarding. It's supposed to be about the amateurs but the tennis is almost seen as another slam. Lost all credibility.

I used to think it was a stupid competition because there's a reason no one watches the sports and that's why we don't give a **** about who is the best at archery or the fastest walker but now it's just an absurd/non-relevant commercial exercise. There'll be a gold medal for best Youtuber in a couple of editions time.

I would not be overly happy with boxing being removed for pretty much this reason and also for how high profile boxers at the Olympics do help keep numbers signing up for the first time at local ABCs.

I know in Ireland that there was always an uptick in kids trying bosing out for the first time when Katie Taylor was doing well. Same again recently with the wonderful (in and out of the ring) Kellie Harrington and further back with the likes of Michael Currath, Darren Sutherland (RIP) and how it helped push the trainer side of things with folk like the excellent Billy Walsh inspiring people to turn their in ring experience into a way to teach others.

The Olympics themselves I tend to regards as ****show that is riddled with corruption, but it has always had a knock on effect at grass roots level for certain sports, boxing being one of them.

Think with me it might be more a case of nostalgia over what it used to mean to reach or come close to reaching an Olympic team spot and seeing how much that meant to young boxers, and then seeing the next generation being inspired by the names they saw representing their country.

May well be that if I took off the rose tinted specs my opinion might be more in line with your take.

[Zapater]

Boxing is one of the sports not listed on the programme for the 2028 Olympics.

It can be added in 2023 and in 2025 if any proposal to have it added is approved by the Olympic commitees but as of now it has not been approved as an olympic sport for 2028 and the 2022 proposals are finished now.

Even though the Olympics are important for launching pro careers, I don't think that's a bad thing. The Olympics are a joke. It's all professionals (boxing too, right?) and **** non-sports, like skateboarding. It's supposed to be about the amateurs but the tennis is almost seen as another slam. Lost all credibility.

I used to think it was a stupid competition because there's a reason no one watches the sports and that's why we don't give a **** about who is the best at archery or the fastest walker but now it's just an absurd/non-relevant commercial exercise. There'll be a gold medal for best Youtuber in a couple of editions time.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Boxing is one of the sports not listed on the programme for the 2028 Olympics.

It can be added in 2023 and in 2025 if any proposal to have it added is approved by the Olympic commitees but as of now it has not been approved as an olympic sport for 2028 and the 2022 proposals are finished now.

[Kenneth]

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Yep is a proper "live" opponent for him. Still have my doubts that something like a pull out for injury or health reasons will not happen.

However if it does go ahead then it is the correct fight to take place for a number of reasons and a very credible heavyweight fight in the current era.

[Doc_Piptorious]

First Fury fight I'll pay attention to in a while.
Still not sure it'll actually happen.

Yep is a proper "live" opponent for him. Still have my doubts that something like a pull out for injury or health reasons will not happen.

However if it does go ahead then it is the correct fight to take place for a number of reasons and a very credible heavyweight fight in the current era.

[fidget]

First Fury fight I'll pay attention to in a while.
Still not sure it'll actually happen.