Boxing

[Doc_Piptorious]

A pointless fight

Why? There is nobody decent available outside of Whyte unless Fury goes after some plumbers or goes after slow plodding easy meat young up and comers like 36 yo Joyce a man that makes Frank Bruno look fluid and agile. A modern day Primo Carnera if you will.

Dubois is more of the same albeit younger and even managed to be knocked out by Joyce. Fury would chew him up.


Whyte has earned his shot and been the number one contender for what feels like an age.

He is also a far more dangerous opponent that a joke like Wilder.

Fury will not be as lax against Whyte as he was against Wilder. He had no fear or respect for Wilder after the first fight as he knew after that how poor a boxer Wilder was.

Whyte may not be a great heavyweight, then again who is in 2022, but he is technically far better than Wilder (a man with worse footwork than Stephen Hawkings), he is bigger and stronger than Wilder, and a far more live opponent.

Plus Fury needs to start adding some decent names to his record if he wants to keep calling himself a top fighter because right now he has a good win over Wlad to his name and not much else to warrant all the praise he lavishes upon himself.

Wilder he outclassed but Wilder is a terrible boxer and beating him is hardly the achievement of the century that Fury and his supporters like to make it out to be.

We also were never going to get Uysk vs Fury, something that was made very clear in the past few days when Uysk's manager released how Fury's side pretty much wanted nothing to do with the negotiations for that fight and the silence from Fury abnd his camp is pretty damning imho as Fury rarely stays quiet on anything but not a peep of denial from him about the negotiations with Usyk.

Take Usyk and Joshua (who was never going to be meeting Fury without a belt) out of the mix and Whyte is probably the best of the rest of who Fury could meet.

I have to admit I am surprised Fury said yes to fighting Whyte as I expected him to swerve him by dropping the belt or pull out due to an "injury" (suppose the latter could still happen), so him saying yes to Whyte is a positive imo.

Sets up Fury vs Whyte meeting the winner of Usyk vs Joshua.

[Zapater]

Probably won't watch but it wouldn't shock me if Whyte stopped him. I've always thought it isn't a terrible matchup for Whyte stylistically.

[Shaggy]

A pointless fight

[Doc_Piptorious]

Fury vs Whyte looks like it will happen.


April 23rd the supposed date if nobody pulls out.

[Doc_Piptorious]

It was a cracking fight, a proper old slugfest. Completely one-sided but still exciting. Chisora is one durable dude, granite chin, and he's always great value. Should retire now though.

It was the best I've seen Parker.

As for the judges ...I thought Parker won every round. Maybe gave Del Boy one at best. Two of the judges had Parker by 5 and one had 114-112 ...which given Chisora was floored three times, that is utterly remarkable

The scoring was bent as hell. Parker should have scored a lot better on the cards.

Chisora is Chisora, nothing more than a durable lower tier journey man. Should retire but possibly cannot so may have to stay in the game if he needs money.


Parker is a journeyman for me too albeit a better one than Chisora. Parker has improved though. The Andy Lee influence is very obvious already as what Lee learned under Sterard was showing.

Do think Parker is a boxer who has the size and tools to have done an awful lot better than he has in his career.

Parker though has a very similar flaw to what Andy had and that is he can be too passive when he has the other guy on his outs. Andy will always default to a more cultured style as he is a bit of a purist in his take on boxing and tended to box below his weight at times when in the ring. Saw shades of that in Parker too last night. Do hope they work on conditioning more than Andy did too as that was Andy's other big flaw when he fought imo.

Parker needs to go for the kill more when the chance arises, but I feel it is too ingrained in him to do just enough than take a chance to finish a fight early. Chisora was there for the taking in two or three of the rounds last night and Parker stood off rather than forcing a stoppage or getting a KO/TKO.

[Shaggy]

It was a cracking fight, a proper old slugfest. Completely one-sided but still exciting. Chisora is one durable dude, granite chin, and he's always great value. Should retire now though.

It was the best I've seen Parker.

As for the judges ...I thought Parker won every round. Maybe gave Del Boy one at best. Two of the judges had Parker by 5 and one had 114-112 ...which given Chisora was floored three times, that is utterly remarkable

[Doc_Piptorious]

Big loss for Chisora. Certainly not a close fight either.

Chisora was brave and did well to go the distance but there was never even a hint of doubt at any point as to who was winning.


Nice to see some improvement in Parker's all round game, not that he is anything other than competent, but you could see the Emanuel Steward influences that have no doubt come from Andy Lee being in Parker's corner now.

[Shaggy]

Ah, got it. Lol. DAZN 6 on IPTV.

[Shaggy]

What channel's the boxing (Parker-Chisora) on tonight? Can't find it anywhere. Not showing on any of my DAZN channels

[Doc_Piptorious]

A Lomachenko technical masterclass last night.

I had him winning 11 of the 12 rounds.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Thanks for the list. Will think about if there are any debatables.



I was hoping he would be there, he seems to have been forgotten about a little. Great fighter. He did probably lose to De la Hoya, although that's 100% Oscar's fault for giving away the last 3 rounds or whatever it was. Thought he could bank on the close ones.

One of the reasons I wanted the list, actually.

There was me thinking that Gavilan, Napoles or Benitez would be the ones that got questioned.

Can see why some might not think of Trinidad straight away, but ten years undefeated at a weight is special no matter what weight divison. For me he was a very solid fighter with a great mix of physical and skill based qualities. Always thought he was a good thinker in the ring too, especially when under pressure.

Oscar did not come close to making my list though. I liked watching him and he was a good boxer but not list worthy imo. Think any list he makes would be based more on personality and his hype back in the day forcing him into people's thinking.

And just to be controversial, maybe.

I think Benitez may well have been good enough to make the top four or five welters of all time, I think he was that good a boxer/fighter. Would go as far as to say him vs Mayweather in a time machine fight would have been a very very close thing if both had the same level of diet/training methods etc.

[Zapater]

Thanks for the list. Will think about if there are any debatables.

1990s - Felix Trinidad

The 1990s were giving me a bit of bother to pick from, but have settled on Trinidad and think it might be the right choice. Had a bit of everything in his locker and went the entire decade undefeated at welterweight, he did not lose a fight until he moved to middleweight.

I was hoping he would be there, he seems to have been forgotten about a little. Great fighter. He did probably lose to De la Hoya, although that's 100% Oscar's fault for giving away the last 3 rounds or whatever it was. Thought he could bank on the close ones.

One of the reasons I wanted the list, actually.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Alright you pack of bums, it's welterweight time. Lots of guys left out like as I felt they were better at other weights or they did not spend enough time in the welter division.


1940s - Sugar Ray Robinson

Greatest welterweight of all time. For me there is not even the slightest bit of room for debate on that.



1950s - Kid Gavilan

Guy fought like a swarm of bees. Constant flow of punches. Really aggressive and rarely tried to fight on the back foot. Tended to beat others through sheer volume of shots (accurate ones at that) thrown. Really durable too so must have been a nightmare to face.




1960s - Emile Griffith

What many would call a warrior. Similar to Gavilan in that he was an aggressive front foot fighter but hit a lot harder than Gavilan. The kind of fighter who when tagged would roll his head and march in to land two or three of his own back in reply.




1970s - Jose Napoles

A machine in the ring. Silky smooth and could go through the gears instantly. Wonderful defence and one of those who could switch from being an excellent pressure fighter to being an excellent defensive fighter in a heartbeat.


1980s - Ray Leonard

Fluid, quick, and analytical in the ring. Pushed him in for the 1980s so I could get Napoles in for the 1970s Great hand speed, decent power, good footwork, a much braver fight in the ring than he is often given credit for. Bit of a prick outside the ring, scratch that a proper prick outside the ring at times and a touch of the Canelo about him at times with regards to liking things in his favour but that does not take away from his amazing talent and in ring ability.


1990s - Felix Trinidad

The 1990s were giving me a bit of bother to pick from, but have settled on Trinidad and think it might be the right choice. Had a bit of everything in his locker and went the entire decade undefeated at welterweight, he did not lose a fight until he moved to middleweight.


2000s - Floyd Mayweather

It's Mayweather, everyone knows what he brings.


2010s - Terence Crawford

Was between him and Spence jr for me for this decade. Crawford edges it for me on activity throughout the decade and think he would win if the two met.

Lovely to watch at work. Can box, can fight, can beat you with power, can beat you with technique, can take a shot, good stamina and has all the basics down to a tee at a very high level.


2020s - Leaving it blank. It would be Crawford again and not willing to put anyone else in there in his place.





One extra from any decade to make ten - Wilfred Benitez

Guy was an outstanding welterweight. In every department he was almost on the same level as Ray Leonard or Napoles and was a bit more aggressive in his style than the former. Beautiful to watch

[Zapater]

Kell Brook v Amir Khan confirmed for Manchester in Feb

Christ sake.

Can't believe Lopez's dad is as deluded as his son, Watched that fight Sunday Morning and there was only 1 winner, They reckoned he won 10-2
Going after Taylor now, Not going for a rematch

****ing idiot, one of the rounds where Lopez had his ears jabbed off, gets back to the corner and his dad is like "****ing beautiful". Makes Angel Garcia look like Emmanuel Steward

[Shaggy]

**** me, it is PPV

Incredible

I will watch it cos I get PPV events for nowt, but would I **** pay for it