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I don't think anyone doubts his capacity to be world class, he just needs to prove it. Fighting Jojo Dan, Frankie Gavin and Bizier (is that his name?) does nothing. Porter was a quality win in a close fight, but then fight 3 low level fringe contenders? They're not even in the top 10. That kills a reputation for a fighter. I understand it's not all his fault, a lot of welterweights don't fancy getting in with him, he isn't the biggest draw, maybe this will help him get bigger fights. Hearn has to do him favours now and get him good fights against live opponents, otherwise the Porter fight will be the only really notable win on his resume. There's a few other decent names but most of those were over the hill at the time of the fight.
I don't know if he is a 'world class' fighter. It's far from a foregone conclusion that he can beat the best light middleweights and welterweights out there. Thurman, Broner, Danny Garcia, Spence, Canelo, Lara, Andrade, a Porter rematch, even Pacquaio or Cotto are all risky fights that he has a good chance of losing. Until he can prove he can beat several of these type of opponents consecutively, I don't think you can consider him world class.
The fact he was hitting Golovkin is irrelevant. This is professional boxing, Brook was never lasting 12 rounds. If anything it proved that he's definitely not a middleweight. Even a lesser puncher at the weight catching Golovkin with those shots would have had more effect on him. He gave a good account of himself and produced an entertaining fight. Now it's time for him to drop down to a more suitable weight and prove he can beat top level opponents.
I called it. He did look great in the first half though. The eye makes you think though... will he be able to come back. At this level any fight that goes beyond a certain distance will involve repeated blows to the eye area. He can't have many fights left in him (at any weight) if it's a recurring problem.
I do think he'd be better at light middle but it's not like it's an easy ride back for him either way. There are a lot of good fighters at that weight too and a lot of them won't be keen to risk losing to him if he doesn't have a belt.
Spence wasn't at his best but proved he's the real deal. Great footwork, quick and a crisp puncher. Relentless heart too, when things weren't going his way he kept going at Brook. He has some big fights coming up, if he can win them he can rule the division. Good chin too, he got caught with a few hefty shots tonight and took them really well, Brook is heavy handed.
Although Brook's eye was badly cut, I think it was the persistent body punches which took its toll on Kell in the end.
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Although Brook's eye was badly cut, I think it was the persistent body punches which took its toll on Kell in the end.
It definitely did help, although I think it was mental as well. What was damning was how Brook's natural strength and size advantage started disappearing after the 7th/8th. When Spence started pushing him backwards it was always going to be rough from there.
Regardless, upon reflection that was a really good ****ing fight. 2-3 years ago it seemed there was a stinker every second weekend, especially with Hearn's huge cards stacked with dross. The matchups that are being made is encouraging for the sport and excluding the Chavez - Canelo debacle recently there hasn't been too many gross disappointments. Hopefully the trend continues.
Really looking forward to the Ward Kovalev rematch. Not far away now.
Although Brook's eye was badly cut, I think it was the persistent body punches which took its toll on Kell in the end.
Don't think it was just the cut, he had a similar injury v Golovkin, doc looked at him last night and said the other eye had gone in this fight, he has to have a metal plate inserted above the eye apparently, again, as he has one after the Golvkin bout, injury gives you a double slurry vision, so impossible to continue like that tbf.
Didn't look injured enough to quit that late in the fight, so something must have been badly wrong with his vision i think.
Kell Brook has confirmed he suffered a broken eye socket in Saturday's defeat to Errol Spence Jr,....Speaking to Sky Sports News HQ, Brook said: "They kept me in until about 3am. I had a CT scan on my eye and the eye is broken again, same as the Golovkin one, so, maybe surgery again.
I'm devastated. I knew from round seven that the eye had gone and progressively as the rounds went on. I tried to get through the fight and it kept going double-vision and then coming back into line
Brook, his trainers and management really ought to have a look at themselves. That GGG was a hiding to nothing. He's ****ed his eye good and proper. Probably finished him a fighter at an elite level.
Brook, his trainers and management really ought to have a look at themselves. That GGG was a hiding to nothing. He's ****ed his eye good and proper. Probably finished him a fighter at an elite level.
His best win is against Shawn Porter.
Fair to say he's pissed away his prime.
Yeah i think he now should retire due to the eye damage again,but we know he won't and as mentioned on here already a fight v Khan is a goer
Before last night I would have had Brook a clear favourite vs Khan, but now I think Khan will have too much for him and would expect a similar ending especially if it is at Welterweight.
"Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley
Before last night I would have had Brook a clear favourite vs Khan, but now I think Khan will have too much for him and would expect a similar ending especially if it is at Welterweight.
I'm pretty confident Brook would stop Khan before that became an issue. However Khan's flashing jabs could do a number on his eyes. If Brook can put together 7 or 8 rounds before breaking down I don't think Khan has much of a shot. Some of those uppercuts and right hands that Spence ate last night would have Khan breakdancing all over the ring.
I'm pretty confident Brook would stop Khan before that became an issue. However Khan's flashing jabs could do a number on his eyes. If Brook can put together 7 or 8 rounds before breaking down I don't think Khan has much of a shot. Some of those uppercuts and right hands that Spence ate last night would have Khan breakdancing all over the ring.
That's the thing though I didn't think he showed any real power last night and am confident that Khan could cope with anything he has. He would just be too quick and skilful for him, putting him on his knees for another proposal within the distance
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