Boxing

[Doc_Piptorious]

what odds Bellend retiring soon after this too?


Money made and I doubt he wants anything to do with even a semi decent heavyweight.

[Zapater]

what odds Bellend retiring soon after this too?


Money made and I doubt he wants anything to do with even a semi decent heavyweight.

He's spoken about it over the last few years. Unless he can get more money fights I doubt we'll see him many 2 or 3 times. I really hope that Sky don't give him media job. I'd hate to hear his soundbites week in week out. Imagine him and Froch trying to talk over each other.

[labourRed]

Fair play to Bellew, but it must be said that Haye is completely done. Zero legs anymore. He didn't even look hurt. Probably best he was in with Bellew rather than real competitor. It could have ended up much worse. Hopefully this is the last time we see Haye in the ring and Bellew will fight someone decent and get that insufferable grin off of his face.

Could you imagine what would have happened if Haye's ankle gave way in front of Joshua. It could've been dangerous.

I've always liked Haye's boxing style but couldn't standing the man and his marketing machine/bull****.

[Doc_Piptorious]

He's spoken about it over the last few years. Unless he can get more money fights I doubt we'll see him many 2 or 3 times. I really hope that Sky don't give him media job. I'd hate to hear his soundbites week in week out. Imagine him and Froch trying to talk over each other.

shudders

[Zapater]

Talk of Bellew fighting Wilder. Can't believe Barker even took that question seriously.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Haye talking about how he will suspend any thoughts of retiring until he has had time to review the tapes of the fight


In other words trying to figure out if there is any way to squeeze another pay day out of mugs

[fidget]

In other news GGG was fantastic as usual

[Fosterbloke]

In other news GGG was fantastic as usual

Did you see the string of punches at the end of round 2? I know **** all about boxing but that was impressive to me.

I'm showing my son some video shorts of him to show how he moves while he punches and how he follows up.

He's doing a kickboxing comp in a couple of weeks, dead excited!

[Doc_Piptorious]

Just finished watching the replay of the GGG bout as did not stay up for it last night. Damn that was a destructive finishing flurry from him.

[Zapater]

Haye talking about how he will suspend any thoughts of retiring until he has had time to review the tapes of the fight


In other words trying to figure out if there is any way to squeeze another pay day out of mugs

I'd be shocked to see Haye in the ring again, at least in a competitive fight. He's stated so many times that he's not one to stick around in their old age (although Holyfield made fun of Holmes for doing it and ended up going much further than Holmes). He may have a goodbye fight against some mediocre European or domestic level fighter but he has nowhere to go and no one will pay to see it regardless how they try to hype it. Him and Schafer might as well concentrate on pushing Joe Joyce.

History should be kind to Haye, he was a fantastic cruiserweight and a very good heavyweight. He gave Wlad an uncomfortable and competitive fight and showed skills that we don't often see in heavyweights. His backward pivoting and head movement are nowhere to be seen. He's not the type of a fighter who can recreate himself and that's not even considering his deteriorating body. His legs are finished for sure. Bellew's face was more marked up than his

Although as we know history doesn't always remember fighters at their best. Naz is forever a 'choker' despite only losing 1 fight to one of the best fighters at the time. On the other hand Nigel Benn despite quite a few losses at the end is remembered for his best.

Did you see the string of punches at the end of round 2? I know **** all about boxing but that was impressive to me.

I'm showing my son some video shorts of him to show how he moves while he punches and how he follows up.

He's doing a kickboxing comp in a couple of weeks, dead excited!

The accuracy was impressive, the best punch was when he slipped the jab and hit that gigantic uppercut. I don't know about Golovkin, he looked pretty flat footed in the first round and got momentarily stunned by that stiff jab. Obviously he's still class but he definitely isn't what he was 5 years ago. Definitely stopping Canelo when their fight is rearranged.

I can't wait for Linares - Loma next weekend. Has the potential to be a classic. I don't often agree with Bellew, but Salas is mad to choose Haye over Linares. I guess money talks. Will he be in Linares corner on fight night?

[Fosterbloke]

Do you know any boxers that are worth watching from a balance point of view?

Might not carry across to MMA but my son has just turned 8 and is starting to 'dance' around a swinging punchbag!

Yeah I'm sure this all sounds crap to you all but any help is good

[Doc_Piptorious]

Do you know any boxers that are worth watching from a balance point of view?

Might not carry across to MMA but my son has just turned 8 and is starting to 'dance' around a swinging punchbag!

Yeah I'm sure this all sounds crap to you all but any help is good

Dig up footage of Andre Ward if you want him to see the sort of balance that comes from hard work and repetition. In terms of boxing basics, Ward is one of the most complete and balanced boxers I have ever seen in the modern era.


Yes there have been guys who are more naturally athletic, or guys who were more talented a la Mayweather jr or Roy Jones jr. But for an example of a recent guy whose balance and basics in the ring were almost textbook (and also learnable) it would be difficult to look past Ward.



His fight against Dawson from 2012 is a good example of his mastery of the basics and his balance (and when I say balance I mean two things. How balanced he is overall as a fighter and also his actual balance/stance when he is moving/reacting/throwing etc and how he grounds his feet etc. ).


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34flXpPP36Y"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34flXpPP36Y[/ame]





Bernard Hopkins is another who was a wonderfully balanced boxer in terms of skills and his mastery of such, and his use of his body and control of such was exemplary.

Watch his feet when he throws a shot, or how he pivots when avoid a shot. He rarely is off balance, is always moving fluidly into his next stance, and grounds his feet so so well.


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvbJ8kgLW7Q"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvbJ8kgLW7Q[/ame]





My favourite boxer of them all, Marvin Hagler, would be a great example to watch as well. Pre slugger era Hagler (pre circa 1984) was was of the most compelt and perfect boxing machines of all time and that was in no small part due to his wonderful balance in the ring. He could throw hooks, standard jabs, straights and his Gazelle Jab without breaking stride or losing a hint of balance. Same was his ability to switch stance as he would do so without missing a beat and going slightly off blance for even a second.

Hagler vs Hearns or vs Mugabi are probably what come to mind for many when thinkng of Hagler, but that was Hagler a little past his best and a slowed down Hagler.


I think better examples of Hagler in terms of balance would be in his fights against Duran, Sibson and Minter.


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8K_YBLcvLY"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8K_YBLcvLY[/ame]


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grNEnrUlYOE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grNEnrUlYOE[/ame]


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfcxEHcP-Zw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfcxEHcP-Zw[/ame]



[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGYZBUI5mk0"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGYZBUI5mk0[/ame]













All the above guys were so aware of their centre of gravity, and if you watch them move they are so practised in doing things like bending the knees whilst moving so they reduce their centre of gravity to be lower than the other guy's.

All three ground their feet when moving, all three move with their centre of gravity rather than forcing against it, and their hips move with their shoulders and arms (and vice versa rather than hips trying to be forced to move where the arms are going).

[Fosterbloke]

This is brilliant thanks!

[Zapater]

Also depends what you're looking for in terms of balance. If you're talking about counter punching/combination punching and always ending up in a decent position, being able to throw punches from any position, always keeping the ideal range in relation to an opponent it is always different. Many heavyweights have horrendous balance as they're disproportionate and often try to throw too hard leaving themselves in awful positions after the punch has been thrown. Deontay Wilder is a prime example of this.

Take a look at Juan Manuel Marquez. Very seldom do you see a fighter who lunges in as much as he did and still maintain a good overall position. Also dropping his hands half way through a combination and somehow raising them just in time to parry an opponents blow - then continue punching.

Also good shout on Mayweather and Ward above. Mayweather has had it so well ingrained in him. It's incredible how he used to step backwards so quickly but maintain perfect boxing stance ready to control distance, attack and defend. Strong base for his composure, quite often overlooked in the analysis of him where people automatically look at his fast hands and shoulder roll.

[BobTheCharmer]

Also depends what you're looking for in terms of balance. If you're talking about counter punching/combination punching and always ending up in a decent position, being able to throw punches from any position, always keeping the ideal range in relation to an opponent it is always different. Many heavyweights have horrendous balance as they're disproportionate and often try to throw too hard leaving themselves in awful positions after the punch has been thrown. Deontay Wilder is a prime example of this.

Take a look at Juan Manuel Marquez. Very seldom do you see a fighter who lunges in as much as he did and still maintain a good overall position. Also dropping his hands half way through a combination and somehow raising them just in time to parry an opponents blow - then continue punching.

Also good shout on Mayweather and Ward above. Mayweather has had it so well ingrained in him. It's incredible how he used to step backwards so quickly but maintain perfect boxing stance ready to control distance, attack and defend. Strong base for his composure, quite often overlooked in the analysis of him where people automatically look at his fast hands and shoulder roll.

There's a few people in this thread, you included, who's knowledge of boxing and the efforts involved are way more in-depth and described in such a thorough manner that it puts the efforts of those describing football to shame. I like boxing and have watched for over 30 years but I don't notice what you lot do. You're either brilliant blaggers or you know your stuff. I'm fairly confident it's the latter. I love reading the posts even if I've missed the fight itself!