Boxing

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The reality is Fury is more skilled and talented than Wilder. There is absolutely no doubt about it in my eyes. If he can get himself into shape and is close to the form he showed two years ago, I think his elusive style will see him outbox Wilder. He knows how to dictate the range and fighting distance.

Yep, I think Fury would win too. It would be a terrible, mess of a fight, but he'd win.

[marcus50bucks]

Yep, I think Fury would win too. It would be a terrible, mess of a fight, but he'd win.

[Zapater]

It's a weird one, would depend on how good Fury's lateral movement is and how well he can tie Wilder up. Fury has no power to keep Wilder at bay, so would need to control distance consistently well to win. If he is fit and disciplined enough to do this he should win. But there's nothing to suggest that there won't be moments that Wilder would walk through him and land some heavy blows. We already know Wilder's power is not in question and Fury has been dropped before. I think it would be a close one and most likely fairly unexciting.

I'll believe it when it's officially announced.

[Doc_Piptorious]

The reality is Fury is more skilled and talented than Wilder. There is absolutely no doubt about it in my eyes. If he can get himself into shape and is close to the form he showed two years ago, I think his elusive style will see him outbox Wilder. He knows how to dictate the range and fighting distance.

Would say the opposite with regards to that last line. Fury is very good at smothering a fighter he deems a threat rather than being very good at dictating a fight from range.


Against lesser fighters he will use his reach, but he showed against Klitschko that he will fight very ugly (which can be a very smart tactic) and basically remove range from a fight in order to win.


I would be surprised if he does anything other than that against Wilder tbh. Both he and Wilder have styles that are very unpleasing to the eye and they both have styles that are more dependent on their physicality than natural skill.


Fury excels at smothering the life out of a fight, and Wilder excels (against lesser opposition) through being able to throw unorthodox shots in a very unsystematic manner. Both methods if they are established early in a bout can throw the opponent completely off balance and basically set the template for the rest of the fight.


Fury brings a lot of things that I think will make Wilder uncomfortable in the ring. He spoils very very well. He is tall, rangey, and crucially very heavy when it comes to his build. This of course aids in his spoiling and allows him to sap an opponent through leaning and clinching. Having a 19 stone man leaning full weight on you is a very quick way to see your energy reserves drop.

Fury is also pretty cautious when the other guy can hit so he will take far less risks and play the percentages, which again forces the other guy to make the decision whether to take a risk or retreat even further into his shell.

And going into a cautious tit for tat spoiling mode is probably the worst thing I can think of to do against Fury as it just plays to his strengths.


Wilder on the other hand has less things that would make Fury uncomfortable but what he does have are the two things most likely to make Fury spoil from the opening bell and those two things are decent power coupled with fairly quick hands. If he can catch Fury, then I see Fury going down as I do not think Fury has a particularly good chin. Not a bad chin but one that I suspect is pretty average.

I also think that in terms of stamina that Wilder may have the advantage.


Wilder has to keep this fight at distance, and let fly. He is quite light for his height compared to Fury, so clinching would be in the much heavier Fury's favour every time.



All in all I think it is a fight that is probably a 60:40 fight in favour of Fury. Wilder has to connect clean and often to win imho (and I think Wilder needs a stoppage to win) whereas Fury does not need to as he is well able to spoil his way to a win against a heavy hitter.


So if Fury is in similar physical condition to what he was against Klitschko, then I would go for a points win after one of the ugliest bouts since that aforementioned bout against Klitschko.

[marcus50bucks]

Jaco, I'm not sure how many times you have watched the Klitschko fight since they fought but I don't think you are giving Fury much credit for his performance imo. I disagree with you about him not being able to control the distance. I think there were enough examples where Fury used his size advantage and jab to control the distance. I also felt his switch-hitting and his ability to change his stance had a big impact on the fight as well.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Jaco, I'm not sure how many times you have watched the Klitschko fight since they fought but I don't think you are giving Fury much credit for his performance imo. I disagree with you about him not being able to control the distance. I think there were enough examples where Fury used his size advantage and jab to control the distance. I also felt his switch-hitting and his ability to change his stance had a big impact on the fight as well.

I have given Fury a lot of credit for that performance and am pretty sure I have done so in this thread as well.


Spoiling is an art in itself and whilst it can look awful and totally ruin the flow of a fight for a spectator, it does take a lot of ability to impose such a game plan on a boxer like Klitschko.

But one thing it was not is a masterclass in controlling distance (in the traditional sense of a top class jab maintaining distance until it is time to move in closer). Klitschko got suckered in that fight imho. And all credit goes to Fury for laying that bait and causing Klitschko to go into his shell to a large degree.


Fury showed some top class spoiling ability and he used it as part of his game plan.

That night Fury beat Klitschko both physically and mentally.

But controlling range against a fighter who decides to come at you is a very different skillset and that is something I do not think Fury has (to a high level anyway) in his skillset.

Steve Cunningham showed how ragged and wild Fury gets when a fighter decides to go at Fury. Cunningham got at Fury early and had he been a better fighter, and a proper heavyweight, I think he would have kept Fury down.

Fury can look good sometimes with his jab but generally it is against fighters that are a few levels below or that are just too small or not hard hitting enough to put a bit of caution into his set up.

If he fights Wilder, I think Wilder has enough to put that caution back into Fury's mindset, and I reckon Fury would set up to spoil and frustrate the hell out of Wilder.

And I think Fury would look to do the exact same thing against Joshua.


Who I would like to see Fury in with is Dillan Whyte. Not because I think Whyte is a top class boxer, but because Whyte would come to fight from the first bell and because Whyte is actually quite happy to get into a messy brawl and rough house.


Might seem odd to read, but I reckon Fury would have a better chance of losing against Whyte than he would against a Klitschko level and style boxer. Styles make fights and sometimes what works against the top of a division will come up short against the next tier down.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Very impressive stoppage win by Alvarez over Kovalev. Took everything Kovalev threw and dished it back with interest.



If nothing else, it gives Stevenson someone new to avoid



Would love to see Alarez in with Gvozdyk next.

[Bender]

Deontay Wilder confirms he will fight Tyson Fury before the end of 2018!

"The fight definitely will happen. November or December in New York or Las Vegas."

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[calvoboy]

Fury beating up a smaller man again. Him vs wilder will be interesting though

[spud_gun]

He's an 19 stone Ballerina. What a boxer.

[Chazza]

Probably the most boring cunt on the planet

[Saveloy]

Is Fury really going to fight Wilder next? Not quite ready is he?

[Bender]

Is Fury really going to fight Wilder next? Not quite ready is he?

Yes
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[Saveloy]

Yes
https://twitter.com/oliver__bond/sta...40952280682501

What's your view on my second question Bender?

[Bender]

What's your view on my second question Bender?

Fury doesn’t care if he’s ready or not tbh.... he’s fighting Wilder and has a winning the one belt Joshua doesn’t have..... a few more months for fury to get into shape but it’s still a fight a year too early but he won’t care tbh