Boxing

[Zapater]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pani-idvs_o"]Face Off with Max Kellerman: Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez - YouTube[/ame]

Pretty chuffed I can remember that detail 11 years later. Around the 6 min and 10:30 min marks. It's less in depth than I thought, there was possibly another one somewhere. At least this gave a basic overview of the mechanics, which this coverage didn't touch. Although, in all honesty I could be wrong because I only watched the main event on DAZN. Didn't bother with any of the build up, no idea what was mentioned elsewhere.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I'll try to find and post the video where Marquez and Manny discuss this. It's really good - I think it's the face to face before their 3rd fight on HBO. It's also funny because they're demonstrating live in their limited English. On the subject of that, Canelo's English seems to be coming along, describing Plant as insecure.



I think it depends what some other fighters do and which fights he has. I see Mikey Garcia is continuing at welterweight. If he dropped down, I think he'd take care of Taylor. Could also depend if Taylor wants to move to welterweight because there are some tough fights there.

Is why I said it would be if he worked his way through a few more quality contenders.


I can see the arguement for Garcia being able to beat Taylor at light welter, but I think it is a 50/50 fight myself at that weight and if Taylor moves up to welterweight I think that 50/50 might become 60/40 or better in favour of Taylor.


For me Errol Spence jr would be a bigger threat to Taylor if the latter moved up a weight, though I think I might still fancy Taylor in that one too.

Think Taylor is a very big light welterweight and that he might even have the frame to be a very big welterweight. He also appears that he would be able to go up a weight and keep his speed whilst getting the benefit being that bit more solid and strong with the extra weight. All just opinion of course but he looks good enough to mix with the likes of Spence etc imo.

That whole Light welter and welter region of the boxing spectrum has been crazily consistent the past 15 to 20 years in churning out high level talent, especially the past 15 years, think it is now in terms of constant talent what the middleweight division was from the 1970s to the 1990s. Even a lot of the not quite top tier guys in the LW and W divisions going back ten years or so have been of a very high quality. Guys like Matthysse, Molina Jr, Provodnikov, Postol etc

[Pablo]

Gutted that Joshua has turned out the way he has. I know he's not Ali talent-wise but I really thought he had enough to dominate at heavyweight when he turned pro (largely due to the fact there was little competition).

Nowadays he's more of an influencer than a boxer. ****e.

Boxing is just another slowly dying sport now if we are brutally honest isn't it?

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Mikey Garcia? Errol Spence?

Calm down chaps. Josh has more than earned the right to a couple of gimmie fights.

He's back out in December fighting Jack Catterall in Glasgow.

Wouldn't surprise me if he moves up to 147 in the later part of 2022.

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Gutted that Joshua has turned out the way he has. I know he's not Ali talent-wise but I really thought he had enough to dominate at heavyweight when he turned pro (largely due to the fact there was little competition).

Nowadays he's more of an influencer than a boxer. ****e.

Boxing is just another slowly dying sport now if we are brutally honest isn't it?

Never seen a boxer less arsed by a defeat, compare with Josh Warrington who was devaseted when beaten, Joshua seems not to care in the slightest, He knows his next fight will still be an arena full and the money making hype machine will continue for a while yet.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Mikey Garcia? Errol Spence?

Calm down chaps. Josh has more than earned the right to a couple of gimmie fights.

He's back out in December fighting Jack Catterall in Glasgow.

Wouldn't surprise me if he moves up to 147 in the later part of 2022.

Calm down? What are you on about?



Have not seen anyone at all say he should not have a few routine bouts mixed in between taking on the better fighters, in fact his next fight is exactly that.

My comments are springing from the fact that I think he is on track to potentially becoming one of the very best British boxers of all time on top of being the best current British boxer, and that he would cement that if and when he beats a few more top contenders. That is hardly saying he needs to fight nobody but the best in every fight from here on in. I just think he might go on to do a lot more high level stuff than he already has.

As for Garcia, I was replying to Zap's comment about him and offering Spence back as the one I think would be more of a challenge for Taylor. Neither of us said he should be fighting either of them next. Think it says a lot about Taylor that those are the sort of names people think are his peers now.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Never seen a boxer less arsed by a defeat, compare with Josh Warrington who was devaseted when beaten, Joshua seems not to care in the slightest, He knows his next fight will still be an arena full and the money making hype machine will continue for a while yet.

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Calm down? What are you on about?



Have not seen anyone at all say he should not have a few routine bouts mixed in between taking on the better fighters, in fact his next fight is exactly that.

My comments are springing from the fact that I think he is on track to potentially becoming one of the very best British boxers of all time on top of being the best current British boxer, and that he would cement that if and when he beats a few more top contenders. That is hardly saying he needs to fight nobody but the best in every fight from here on in. I just think he might go on to do a lot more high level stuff than he already has.

As for Garcia, I was replying to Zap's comment about him and offering Spence back as the one I think would be more of a challenge for Taylor. Neither of us said he should be fighting either of them next. Think it says a lot about Taylor that those are the sort of names people think are his peers now.

147 really is a shark pool.

Interesting thoughts on Garcia. Despite the alphabet title he's shown that he's struggles against elite boxers at 147.

I think Taylor may be too big for him even at 140. Garcia struggled mightily at 147 against Spence. Would be a cracking fight. Though i think Taylors got his eyes elsewhere. He's already talking about a fight with Crawford. Not sure if Crawford will still be at 147 by the time Taylor moves up but it'd be a great fight.

[Doc_Piptorious]

147 really is a shark pool.

Interesting thoughts on Garcia. Despite the alphabet title he's shown that he's struggles against elite boxers at 147.

I think Taylor may be too big for him even at 140. Garcia struggled mightily at 147 against Spence. Would be a cracking fight. Though i think Taylors got his eyes elsewhere. He's already talking about a fight with Crawford. Not sure if Crawford will still be at 147 by the time Taylor moves up but it'd be a great fight.

Garcia struggled against Spence for the exact same reason I think he would run into trouble against Taylor, and that is because Spence is big and very solid for a welter (not to mention really talented). Taylor for me would be even bigger a welter than Spence is as he appears to have the sort of frame that would allow for a larger weight gain and for the gain to be spread quite evenly. Plus Taylor brings the high level talent along with the size.

The reason I think Taylor/Garcia would be closer at light welter than welter is simply down to size. I think Taylor would still be bigger at LW than Garcia but that the gap would be more extreme at welter.

Garcia I think is close to being an elite fighter but not quite. I see him as being quite similar on that score to the other Garcia, Danny, was in that he is good enough to be a genuine champion, good enough to beat the majority of the good fighters in the division but would come up short more often than not if a truly world class operator started to work through the division he was in.

Mikey Garcia is at that level for me. Good enough to beat almost everyone in the division, maybe good enough to shock a world class fighter if the WC fighter is not at 100% on a given night, but not good enough to be that world class boxer himself over a prolonged period of time.

[Bender]

Joshua seems more content doing those Lynx adverts

[marcus50bucks]

Good take on things.


Staying at mid range killed Joshua against a leftie imo. By staying at midrange round after round he allowed Usyk to pretty much set the tempo and it played to all of Usyk's strengths. Faster hands, better reflexes, more fluid boxing style, lovely footwork all came into play at mid range along with Usyk not having to work hard when he wanted to go inside and back out again. Also meant Joshua's size advantage meant very little as he was in too close to use a jab with any effect and too far out to try and attempt to work on the inside.

No rightie likes taking on a good leftie, but you still do not make it easy for te leftie and you stick to the fundamentals until you can time the leftie. Usyk keeping his front foot on the outside is a good point, but a rightie can keep his foot on the outside against a southpaw to control a fight too which Joshua did not try to do once. Joshua did not try to even mirror Usyk's stance in order to have any sort of chance to compete to get a front foot on the outside.

Usyk on the other hand mirrored Joshua time after time and then would either throw a jab (often just a single jab), a high hook or a cross and then get his feet into the dominant position, and even worse there were times when he just literally was let walk right up and take the dominant position.

Agree on the Fury/Usyk take. Usyk can do what Fury does better than other heavies, only better, but Fury for me beats him by fighting ugly and spoiling for 12 rounds. Think Usyk would give Fury more problems during the fight than Wlad did though. Think Usyk would be a more difficult cat to get mind games to work against. To paraphrase Josey Wales "Usyk has got crazy eyes"

[marcus50bucks]

Face Off with Max Kellerman: Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez - YouTube

Pretty chuffed I can remember that detail 11 years later. Around the 6 min and 10:30 min marks. It's less in depth than I thought, there was possibly another one somewhere. At least this gave a basic overview of the mechanics, which this coverage didn't touch. Although, in all honesty I could be wrong because I only watched the main event on DAZN. Didn't bother with any of the build up, no idea what was mentioned elsewhere.

Thanks for this. Will give it a watch.

[Pablo]

Never seen a boxer less arsed by a defeat, compare with Josh Warrington who was devaseted when beaten, Joshua seems not to care in the slightest, He knows his next fight will still be an arena full and the money making hype machine will continue for a while yet.

Just seen that Joshua somehow appears in the new FIFA22. Says it all really

[Doc_Piptorious]

Just seen that Joshua somehow appears in the new FIFA22. Says it all really

Hope his defensive and offensive stats are pretty low in it so it reflects reality.

Fecks sake though. Anthony Joshua in bloody Fifa. That is going to mess up my source of footy knowledge. Just wait a month or two and I will be in the footy forum going on about this young up and comer that I have personally scouted. An Anthony J that plays with a London club

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boxing thread is back on track.

Loving the contributions in recent days

Decent season of boxing ahead.

Fury, Taylor, Crawford, Lopez and Alvarez out in the next few months. And hopefully we see Inoue fight again before the year is out.