Boxing

[RichC]

Joshua vs Whyte signed for the 12th August

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/66081393

[Doc_Piptorious]

No doubt a Wilder vs some bum bout to be announced soon too.

[RichC]

Seems like it. Supposed to be Andy Ruiz Jnr but that seems to have gone quiet

[Doc_Piptorious]

Seems like it. Supposed to be Andy Ruiz Jnr but that seems to have gone quiet

That would actually have the potential to be interesting in a crap fight kind of way.


Ruiz has better names on his record than Wilder imo (in terms of wins that is)

The best Wilder fought was Fury and Fury was superior to him in all three fights with the draw being a joke result.

The best name on Wilder's record that he has beaten is probably Ortiz and then either of Breazale or Stiverne.

It is almost impressive that Wilder has managed to have 46 fights, 13 being world title fights, and only have those as his best wins.


Ruiz has wins over Joshua, and Ortiz so his best wins are a little better.


A Ruiz that has taken his training seriously could well hang in there until Wilder gasses and then take him out. A version of Ruiz that trains on mars bars probably gets stopped nut the one thing that Ruiz does seem to have is a decent ability to take a shot.


Cannot believe I am actually posting about a fight as crap as this potential one though it is probably a less shot fight pairing than Joshua vs Whyte

[RichC]

That would actually have the potential to be interesting in a crap fight kind of way.


Ruiz has better names on his record than Wilder imo (in terms of wins that is)

The best Wilder fought was Fury and Fury was superior to him in all three fights with the draw being a joke result.

The best name on Wilder's record that he has beaten is probably Ortiz and then either of Breazale or Stiverne.

It is almost impressive that Wilder has managed to have 46 fights, 13 being world title fights, and only have those as his best wins.


Ruiz has wins over Joshua, and Ortiz so his best wins are a little better.


A Ruiz that has taken his training seriously could well hang in there until Wilder gasses and then take him out. A version of Ruiz that trains on mars bars probably gets stopped nut the one thing that Ruiz does seem to have is a decent ability to take a shot.


Cannot believe I am actually posting about a fight as crap as this potential one though it is probably a less shot fight pairing than Joshua vs Whyte

Ortiz is the best win on Wilders record, thats for sure and if I remember correctly before he caught Ortiz he was getting schooled in there.

Heavyweight boxing is at an all time low for me

[Doc_Piptorious]

Ortiz is the best win on Wilders record, thats for sure and if I remember correctly before he caught Ortiz he was getting schooled in there.

Heavyweight boxing is at an all time low for me

Think it hit this low a number of years back and has just stayed at that level ever since.

Just imagine how bad the next batch might turn out to be as the best of the "up and comers" (the ones that are actually under 25 and not up and comers that are in their mid 30s like the current batch ) are really poor.

The Middle East buying up bouts for fun is not helping and neither is Middle East money getting heavily involved in the promoting side of things.

Even the unpaid sport is being tainted by money from the Middle East.

A big example would be the criminals Steven Gerrard hangs out with, the Kinahans.

They have infested Irish boxing, pro and amatuer, for years. The most high profile incident being the shooting that saw Katie Taylor's father get shot at a weigh in event.

The same Kinahans that have Middle Eastern backing and that hang with Fury etc. (picking Fury only because he is by far the biggest name in boxing that hangs with them) The same Kinahans with properties in the middle east and known ties to Royal Families there. Some coincidence Gerrard has gone to the Middle East to manage too

[calvoboy]

Think it hit this low a number of years back and has just stayed at that level ever since.

The level has just dropped some more. A fairground fight for the gypsy king:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/66099792

[Doc_Piptorious]

Just a joke fight.

Why take on the top ranked WBC guys when you can make huge Sports wash money by fighting a guy who has never had a pro boxing bout in his life.

In no world is Ngannou a credible opponent. This is just a higher profile version of that Tommy Fury vs Jake Paul mickey Mouse "bout".

The WBC are a total joke now too. They constantly ignore their own rankings and refuse to strip fighters when it suits them and that is not limited to just Fury.

The build is just going to be Fury saying dosser a lot in his usual ignorant manner and the promoters trying to make out Ngannou is the second coming of Ivan Drago.

And the likes of Joshua and Wilder are no better than Fury, in some ways they are worse as they try to make out that Fury is the only one ducking fighters and that they do not do the same.


Fury is ducking Usyk and Wilder/Joshua want no part of Fury imo as facing Fury gives them another loss on their records.

[calvoboy]

Just a joke fight.

Why take on the top ranked WBC guys when you can make huge Sports wash money by fighting a guy who has never had a pro boxing bout in his life.

In no world is Ngannou a credible opponent. This is just a higher profile version of that Tommy Fury vs Jake Paul mickey Mouse "bout".

The WBC are a total joke now too. They constantly ignore their own rankings and refuse to strip fighters when it suits them and that is not limited to just Fury.

The build is just going to be Fury saying dosser a lot in his usual ignorant manner and the promoters trying to make out Ngannou is the second coming of Ivan Drago.

And the likes of Joshua and Wilder are no better than Fury, in some ways they are worse as they try to make out that Fury is the only one ducking fighters and that they do not do the same.


Fury is ducking Usyk and Wilder/Joshua want no part of Fury imo as facing Fury gives them another loss on their records.

I'd give Joshua a slight pass, as he is still rebuilding after Usyk dismantled him and Whyte is at least a proper fight (4th vs 6th in The Ring rankings). Some of the other fights being made though while they all try and cash in and avoid fighting each other...

[Doc_Piptorious]

I'd give Joshua a slight pass, as he is still rebuilding after Usyk dismantled him and Whyte is at least a proper fight (4th vs 6th in The Ring rankings). Some of the other fights being made though while they all try and cash in and avoid fighting each other...

Joshua gets no more or a pass than Wilder for me. The Ring rankings are pretty worthless on that front because Whyte is utterly shot now and should not be anywhere near the top ten rankings on wins/losses alone.

Joshua is just another that talks a lot about others taking easy fights and how they duck others instead of just getting on with things, training right and working his way back through the ranks.

Instead he just looks for an easy fight to be followed by a title level fight.

Too many of the "top" modern heavies seem to think that once they have had a title, or even just a title shot, that they should automatically stay in the title picture regardless of losses. Hell you can lose a title and then still be ranked number one or number two.


Usyk is the guy none of them, Fury included, want a piece of now.

My own take on that is it is not down to Usyk being this impossible to beat but rather that to face Usyk you know you are going in against a guy who will have trained properly, a guy who is unfazed by mind games, a guy who does not get flustered in the ring, a guy whose in ring mindset is like concrete, a guy you will not simply out box and a guy that you are not taking out early unless you land a hail mary shot.

Basically you face Usyk and you know he will be at 100% and that you are in for a hard night win or lose.

And that means you yourself have to work harder than ever in your own training, you have to get your own head space just right and you have to have yourself at 100% just to then get into a war.

Joshua found out twice he is lacking when it comes to matching Usyk when it comes to that concrete in fight mentality.


Wilder is just full of **** and knows all he has regarldess of training is a puncher's chance and most likely would get out boxed and then stopped late by Usyk.

Fury knows he would have to work really hard in training and then have to have what would be close to a 50/50 fight. He is the only one of Joshua, Fury and Wilder that would not have to rely on a fluke shot to beat Usyk imo.

So rather than be fighters they will all avoid Usyk and take on guys that they have to train less hard for, guys that are either shot or not boxers at all, and still make millions from doing so whilst still being able to chat rubbish about how they are all the best guy in the division.

Usyk in the meantime will continue to face whomever the mandatory challengers are for less money and just get on with things.

From a business POV you could say the other guys are smarter than Usyk as they are making millions from muck, but from a fighting pov Usyk is the only one that is a true fighter and champion from the current crop of "top" heavies.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Crawford vs Spence jr next week


The best taking on the best. Proper 50/50 fight at the highest level.

Am still leaning towards Crawford though he does have more ring miles on the clock than Spence jr.

Think/hope Crawford wins either on a SD or by late stoppage after a cagey bout though still a boxing masterclass by both fighters.

But no surprise at all to see the same result in Spence's favour.


Two southpaws makes it interesting too. Can often become a disjointed affair when southpaws meet.

[marcus50bucks]

Bud has got this. He is the best switch hitter in the game

He is the most tactically intelligent fighter. That's why he will win

Spence is very good but his brain is not the same level as Crawford. Nobody in boxing today is on that level. Also Spence looks like he's lost a lot of muscle. That's not good.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Bud has got this. He is the best switch hitter in the game

He is the most tactically intelligent fighter. That's why he will win

Spence is very good but his brain is not the same level as Crawford. Nobody in boxing today is on that level. Also Spence looks like he's lost a lot of muscle. That's not good.

Have most likely said this in the thread ages ago, but he is the best switch hitter I have seen since Andre Ward. Ward being the most pure switch hitter I have seen from the past 30 years and maybe one of the most natural switch hitters of all time.

Most switch hitters you can spot their tells ( from the comfort of an armchair or when rewatching their tapes - different story being in the ring with a good one lol ) once you get used to their body rhythm. But with Ward there are no tells even when you rewatch the same fight over and over. You watch so many times you know that he will switch at whatever time in the round, so you watch and watch and he does it at the time you know he will do it at and you still cannot spot any sort of tell. The guy was flawless at it.


Crawford is not quite at that level as you can sometimes spot it coming from him, not often but sometimes, but he is pretty damn close.


Crawford also reminds me of Ward in terms of ring IQ. So clever in there and knows exactly what to do at all times. Seems to have that same knack of almost slowing time down around him so he can pick his next move and then have two more lined up depending on what the outcome of his first move was.

Is a damn shame that a fighter like Crawford never became a true household name because he is one of those guys who is good enough to have stood amongst the best of any era. Spence as well to a degree.


If Crawford had been around in the 1980s or late 1970s he would have been a household name like Sugar Ray Leonard. But then again back then the best were known because they were the best.


Nowadays the bums are the household names that get recognised on the street and the best of the bests tend to be only known by hardcore fans.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Just got around to watching Inoue vs Fulton on Sky Sports mix and what a performance by Inoue.

Titles at four different weights now.

So smart in the ring, tactically great and damn does he hit hard.

[Slinky Skills]

Inoue'd turn out to be a decent boxer.