Andy Carroll - Best Striker in the World

[RichC]

I think it's more about the ref not making "any knowing error"

[Muddled]

Lost his appeal for the red card at the weekend

No way thats lashing out. Unless you are counting when he pushes him off his body.

Yup.

The FA are a joke.

[Exiled_red]

I think it's a difficult one to be honest, because there's hardly minimal contact with the arm and Chico Flores certainly makes the most of it. But if the referee considers the 'throwing' him to the floor and the swing of the arm it is easy to see that as being aggressive. I think the ruling has been upheld because that was the referees interpretation of it at the time and on review that doesn't really change, even if the contact is less than previously thought there.

[rudedog]

Florez also takes a deliberate swing at Carroll with his left arm at the same time so it would appear there is a case for sending him off also.

[Sarb]

But point is Carroll didnt intentionally miss hitting him in the face. He definitely swings his arm looking to make contact. Just because he missed doesnt mean he should not see red.

On another note, heard a few people say should use video replays for red cards during games. You could show that incident to 10'refs and I reckon they would be split 50:50

[Pablo]

Dunno if that could be called "lashing out" Harsh for me tbh

First time I've seen it. Have to say I agree with you. Not much in that at all.

[john316]

Maybe a bit harsh but he can't really complain about getting the red, well obviously he can. Flores should get three games too.

Was also convinced because Howard Webb was the ref, the FA would not want to overrule their supposed 'senior' ref.

[dww]

You think there was intent?

Yeah, I'm less completely convinced on repeat viewing but in real time it looked clear as day to me. I tend to agree with sarb it is a very difficult one to call.

[Pablo]

This might be a bit simplistic, but if it's difficult to call then surely it's a harsh red?

[Rich]

Really harsh red. End of.

[Sarb]

This might be a bit simplistic, but if it's difficult to call then surely it's a harsh red?

But while play is going on and ref doesnt have a replay, Id say it was a red. When I saw it I said red card straigjt away. It looks bad. The only mitigation seems to be that he didnt make much contact. Its kind of irrelevant for me. Just because he missed, doesnt make it less of an offence.

[Maxiedge]

It's a red for me too. The look in his eyes when he swings his arm. Knows what he's doing. Also, when you watch it in real-time, it's actually more obvious than in slo-mo, strangely.

[Red_Polo]

If you accidentally hit someone with your arm, do you look at what you've hit or at the ref? It's hardly irrefutable evidence, but I'm inclined to believe Carroll was trying to clip him.

[Shaggy]

No red for me, it was a needly 50-50 and Flores feigned injury to get him sent off. And his cheating is rewarded with an upheld verdict. Bad times.

[Daniel 7]

Really harsh red. End of.

End of has been called.

The laws of the internet state that any further discussion is of no merit or validity.