Charlie Adam

[dom9]

The difference between Gerrard and Adam from a defensive-play point of view is that Gerrard is actually good at it. When playing in midfield he was still expected to get stuck in and put himself about; it's a bit of an over-simplification to suggest that under Rafa he spent all his playing time unconerned about what the opposition was doing, just waiting to ponce when we got possession. Even when playing further forward he still contributed defensively - he was master of the chasing-back-and-nipping-the-ball-away slide tackle.

He played all his games on the right hand side dontcha know.

[PTP]

had an argument last night with someone who insisted on calling him Adams

[danperkins]

had an argument last night with someone who insisted on calling him Adams

ARGH!!! tis so annoying !

[Chris]

I'd love to know how many times he's been booked in the first 20 minutes of games, and I guarantee 90% of those bookings have been crap, lazy fouls because he can't be arsed to track back and defend properly.

He's only been booked 5 times in 28 games so probably not many. 6 if you count the extra one at Spurs.

Lucas got 5 bookings in 12 league games the crap, lazy cunt who cant be arsed to track back and defend properly.

[dww]

Really?

I actually agree with him (well at least in deep positions, higher up the pitch he is an effective presser of the man on the ball).

[Lecter]

The difference between Gerrard and Adam from a defensive-play point of view is that Gerrard is actually good at it. When playing in midfield he was still expected to get stuck in and put himself about; it's a bit of an over-simplification to suggest that under Rafa he spent all his playing time unconerned about what the opposition was doing, just waiting to ponce when we got possession. Even when playing further forward he still contributed defensively - he was master of the chasing-back-and-nipping-the-ball-away slide tackle.

Rafa pushed him forward because he vacated the midfield space far too much

IE he was out of position far too frequently to be an out and out central or defensive midfielder

Further forward he had less responsibility he had defensively

[Lecter]

I actually agree with him (well at least in deep positions, higher up the pitch he is an effective presser of the man on the ball).

[Rich]

Gerrard has pace and tackling ability on his side, so technically he could play that role if he had the tactical discipline. Adam doesn't have the pace, tactical brain, or tackling to play as a holding midfielder.

Adam's strength is bombing forward and his wand(tm) of a left foot.

[Shaggy]

He's only been booked 5 times in 28 games so probably not many. 6 if you count the extra one at Spurs.

Lucas got 5 bookings in 12 league games the crap, lazy cunt who cant be arsed to track back and defend properly.

To be fair I think most if not all of Lucas's bookings came from being hung out to try by Adam when they were playing as a two. He (Adam) exposes whoever he's playing alongside if he's in a midfield two.

[Lecter]

To be fair I think most if not all of Lucas's bookings came from being hung out to try by Adam when they were playing as a two. He (Adam) exposes whoever he's playing alongside if he's in a midfield two.

Lucas has always been prone to getting a card or two

He got 8 last year I think (and 1 sending off)

9 the season before that

[The_weatherman]

Speaking of cards, is Bellamy suspended now? Didn't he get his fifth against Wolves?

[Fivex]

Didn't someone say it's changed to 7 now?

[RedReet]

Lucas has always been prone to getting a card or two

He got 8 last year I think (and 1 sending off)

9 the season before that

I had it as 6 lasy year in the PL and when you consider he made the most tackles in Eurpoe that's pretty impressive (either figure of 8 or 6).

On course for eclipsing that total of 9 this year though before injury.

Adam got 11 last year, so has improved on that front despite more being asked of him defensively.

[Lecter]

I had it as 6 lasy year in the PL and when you consider he made the most tackles in Eurpoe that's pretty impressive (either figure of 8 or 6).

On course for eclipsing that total of 9 this year though before injury.

Adam got 11 last year, so has improved on that front despite more being asked of him defensively.

My figures were in all competitions

[el matador]

I agree that gerrard wasnt disciplined enough to play that cm role so rafa put him just off torres where he was arguably the best player in the world for two or three seasons.

adam doesnt do anything that gerrard cant do better and the two cannot play in the same team together. if its a case of letting one of them off the leash then its gerrard for me every time but charlie will still get game time.

could we possibly pair henderson with lucas centrally because both have fantastic engines and henderson can pick a pass. this would allow gerrard to push behind carroll with suarez on the right and bellamy or downing on the left in a 4231. henderson could also chip in with goals from midfield.

the two holdind midfielders would allow both fullbacks to really push right on to provide width.