Cardiff / Nantes - Unsavory Legal Wrangle

[Red_Polo]

Yeah a lot of what Billob said there seems sensible advice. I went to school with someone who desperately wanted to be a pilot. He was thick as two short planks but he knew he needed maths and physics so seriously applied himself at those and got decent A-levels in both. It took him ages but he gradually worked his way up in various roles for airports and airlines, networking and understanding how **** worked while he funded himself to learn to fly and get various bits of accreditation.

If you know what you want and are prepared to apply yourself, there's a way there! Mad that some people would be looking to that sort of enormous outlay though

[Cormack74]

****, is that how inaccessible it is?

If you just buy it all, he's young!

Look at the scholarship programmes. Take him gliding or on a microlight course. He could get a PPL for a single engine for £4-6 grand etc. Other ratings, like instruments, night flying, radio, navigation and other types of plane etc can follow in dribs and drabs. This is all gold dust extra curricular stuff when applying for scholarships from BA etc

He will need some grades though Maths and Physics were essential and really want to be getting A's.

It is tough to get into, like Brain Science and Rocket Surgery, its a Blue Chip profession and you want the cream of the crop. Flying need not be too expensive, an hour with instruction is around £100, lots of clubs and schools have very soft finance options too.

Times have changed chaps as I've found this past 12 months or so since I started devoting some time to research and finding pilots to talk to. Although if there are any Commercial Pilots on here who want to pass on their own experiences I'd be pleased to receive them.

First off the nature of training is different. Very few airlines (the Gulf carriers being the notable exception) now run their own courses. This has pretty much been the case since 911 apparently.

And (possibly) partly for this reason traditional routes like the RAF are not especially beneficial plus you have to compete with stacks of other like minded people and do 5 years with them first whereas most Commercial Programmes take kids at 18.

Weird though it may sound there is no benefit to being a qualified (private) pilot in terms of getting on a course because they're going to teach you that anyway and the qualification is worthless since the one you need to get is called an MPL. Plus you need to get type rated on a Boeing, Airbus or whatever.

Once upon a time (not that long ago) the good flying schools running MPL like Oxford (now CAE) or CTC (now L3) were very selective at intake stage and kept their numbers fairly low and the airlines would pretty much scoop up all their trainees as soon as they had finished the course: supply equalled demand.

Now CAE is owned by a private equity company and L3 by an American conglomerate and quality has been replaced by quantity. I went to an open day at L3 and there were probably in excess of 200 prospective students. I was naively expecting about 50. So whilst there is still an assessment test to be passed, I would a be a bit doubtful if it's still at the level that it once was because let's face it at 100+ K a pop the average Private Equity company or American multi-national wants bums on seats and lots of them. There is certainly no requirement for Maths and Physics at A level anymore.

Of course some students do get picked up by airlines along the way and clearly some at the end, but take up is by no means 100%. It doesn't matter if you've spent big bucks if you do get offered a job because these kids aged 20 will be paid £40k from day one by anyone reputable so can pay it back in no time. But for the others the future is somewhat more expensive and uncertain.

Sorry if I've rambled lads - I could go on for several more pages to be honest so be thankful you got the edited version

[Red_Polo]

Times have changed chaps as I've found this past 12 months or so since I started devoting some time to research and finding pilots to talk to. Although if there are any Commercial Pilots on here who want to pass on their own experiences I'd be pleased to receive them.

First off the nature of training is different. Very few airlines (the Gulf carriers being the notable exception) now run their own courses. This has pretty much been the case since 911 apparently.

And (possibly) partly for this reason traditional routes like the RAF are not especially beneficial plus you have to compete with stacks of other like minded people and do 5 years with them first whereas most Commercial Programmes take kids at 18.

Weird though it may sound there is no benefit to being a qualified (private) pilot in terms of getting on a course because they're going to teach you that anyway and the qualification is worthless since the one you need to get is called an MPL. Plus you need to get type rated on a Boeing, Airbus or whatever.

Once upon a time (not that long ago) the good flying schools running MPL like Oxford (now CAE) or CTC (now L3) were very selective at intake stage and kept their numbers fairly low and the airlines would pretty much scoop up all their trainees as soon as they had finished the course: supply equalled demand.

Now CAE is owned by a private equity company and L3 by an American conglomerate and quality has been replaced by quantity. I went to an open day at L3 and there were probably in excess of 200 prospective students. I was naively expecting about 50. So whilst there is still an assessment test to be passed, I would a be a bit doubtful if it's still at the level that it once was because let's face it at 100+ K a pop the average Private Equity company or American multi-national wants bums on seats and lots of them. There is certainly no requirement for Maths and Physics at A level anymore.

Of course some students do get picked up by airlines along the way and clearly some at the end, but take up is by no means 100%. It doesn't matter if you've spent big bucks if you do get offered a job because these kids aged 20 will be paid £40k from day one by anyone reputable so can pay it back in no time. But for the others the future is somewhat more expensive and uncertain.

Sorry if I've rambled lads - I could go on for several more pages to be honest so be thankful you got the edited version

Sheesh. Sounds like a minefield.

[Cormack74]

Sheesh. Sounds like a minefield.

The more I learn / speak to people the harder it gets and I haven't even taken you down the road of overseas options Maybe I'll save that for another day

[Saveloy]

The more I learn / speak to people the harder it gets and I haven't even taken you down the road of overseas options Maybe I'll save that for another day

You might want to check with MrM that he's got space on the database

[Cormack74]

You're not wrong mate I could fill entire data centres with this stuff

[Le Chef]

From what I know - Air Force + Loan for Comms Pilots license (circa 25 -100k) dependant.

[Mark79]

Exclusive: Cardiff City plan to tell Fifa deal struck to buy Emiliano Sala became 'null and void' after he died' | via @telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...iliano/

[ChesterDave]

So Cardiff are going to argue they don't owe money because they broke the rules. Stay classy, hopefully in the championship.

[Angryred]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47696561

And it all kicks off, unpleasant business this is!

[Kenneth]

It is an unpleasant business, football is a commodity market for people, it's bizarre. Issues of ill-health, injury and death just expose it for what it is.

[BillobShaisley]

Cardiff, in big business is ruled by the clauses of contracts shocker!!

Going to be an interesting case. I seem to be the only one that is reserving judgement. IF they win, i.e. their interpretation of the clauses is correct, then I utterly fail to see why they should pay £15mil they aren't legally obliged to, to a competitor as some form of moral tax?

[Buzzo]

Kind of exposes all the tears and scarfs in Cardiff as a bit of an empty gesture.

This was always going to be a nightmare.

[BillobShaisley]

Why? I can be sad that a guy dies, without giving Nantes money I don't have to?

[Leyton388]

Can't wait to see the back of this **** stain of a club when they get relegated.