Over-reaction? I think so

[redlancer]

I wasn't there tonight. I had to make do with Sky T.V. I'm afraid. I thought that tonight couldn't get much worse from Saturday...HOW WRONG WAS I??!!

As for the booing at half time. That was wrong but when you just watched be beaten at Anfield by Arsenal on Saturday and then find ourselves 4-1 down at half time to their reserves I think that it's to be expceted that there'll be an good few disgruntled fans there.

Tonight was a lot worse than Saturday's for me as Saturday was more about the 96 and every one effected than football.
Tonight should of been about getting back to playing football.

TBO i bet it was easier being at the ground than watching on tele. You just stay there in the ground whereas on tele you'd have to force yourself plus the clock always seems different 85 min in the ground is loads left compared to 85 on the tele clock.
We honeslty thought when we got the 3rd we could come back, you could see thier fans sudenly start acting differently and their player picked it up a notc.

[redlancer]

It may be a nothing competition to you mate but its a nothing competition we've won 7 times. Some of LFC's very best teams won the League Cup & if it was good enough for them to bother with, its certainly good enough for the current team.

I can just hear Souness saying milk cup why bother

Stevie after we beat the mancs - what shall we do with this cup, car boot sale anyone?

Why did Fowler bother to score that goal.

We need to install a winning mentality and in the kids aswell.
WOuldn't it be better to play a couple of fringe players in a winning team for a run of match's than half a dozen in a loosing team for 1.
If we need these players in the future their expierence isn't a good un

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

I think most of your player assessments are right mate & I wouldn't be surprised if Rafa thought the same.

However, that makes tonight all the more hurtful. In a game which could lead to a final against chelsea, in a competition thats our only realistic chance of a trophy, he picked such an inadequate team.

I understand the need for squad rotation etc etc, but tonight was a night for a strong first 11, to press on in a competition in which we have a long & proud tradition. The team picked gave me the impression Rafa didn't really give a toss about the League Cup & I don't think thats the right attitude for us, particularly this season.

I can see it from Rafas perspective; League and European Cup are the priority. Want to rest players after taxing Christmas schedule. Arsenal were fielding reserve/backup players too.

The big mistake he did make was picking Dudek again after Saturday.

Colin's right. Had Reina played instead we certainly wouldn't have conceded at least 2 of their goals. Though the defensive unit as a whole was a shambles.

If anything it should open everyone's eyes (including Rafa's, especially his) to how far off we really are from being legit League contenders. Which could be a positive. Outside of the first 11, which also needs upgrading our squad/reserve players are very much mediocre.

Rafa made a cu/nt of it yes, but the biggest culprits were the players, especially the defenders and Dudek. I expect them all to be gone by the summer after that.

[Red Chilli]

The goalkeeper has a lot of influence on defensive shambles.
I think Reina would have organised his defenders better and the defenders would have had more conidence in their keeper.

I'm not pinning all the blame on Dudek, but I think Reina would have influenced the defending

[Sir Bob]

I can see it from Rafas perspective; League and European Cup are the priority. Want to rest players after taxing Christmas schedule. Arsenal were fielding reserve/backup players too.

The big mistake he did make was picking Dudek again after Saturday.

Colin's right. Had Reina played instead we certainly wouldn't have conceded at least 2 of their goals. Though the defensive unit as a whole was a shambles.

If anything it should open everyone's eyes (including Rafa's, especially his) to how far off we really are from being legit League contenders. Which could be a positive. Outside of the first 11, which also needs upgrading our squad/reserve players are very much mediocre.

Rafa made a cu/nt of it yes, but the biggest culprits were the players, especially the defenders and Dudek. I expect them all to be gone by the summer after that.

Arsenal did field a weakened team but they are in a better position than us this season. They are still in the FA Cup & have an easier CL game than we have. If we don't beat Barca, the players will be getting plenty of rest as we'll only be playing once a week. For me, tonight should have been a priority, more so than Watford on Saturday.

[kurtangle01]

The goalkeeper has a lot of influence on defensive shambles.
I think Reina would have organised his defenders better and the defenders would have had more conidence in their keeper.

I'm not pinning all the blame on Dudek, but I think Reina would have influenced the defending

The 3rd goal was a killer and I blame him for that. He was so poor at coming to claim that cross and that's what cost us the goal.

[redlancer]

The goalkeeper has a lot of influence on defensive shambles.
I think Reina would have organised his defenders better and the defenders would have had more conidence in their keeper.

I'm not pinning all the blame on Dudek, but I think Reina would have influenced the defending

Dudek has never been the most dynamic re organising the defence hence they always had to look behind them whilst looking in front. Reina stoped that as he became the sweeper.

Dudek then has a bad game and aint match fit, so put in 3 fringe players and one slow quiet defender in front and no wonder we were torn apart.

The positioning was awefull at times.

[Harv]

Dudek is ****, and apart from one decent season and an inspiring performance in Istanbul he always has been.

Reina instils confidence in his defenders, which allows them to relax and take time. Dudek has never done this, which leads to nervous defending like we saw on Saturday

[Red Chilli]

He was **** in Istanbul for 90 minutes, then he had an amazing piece of good fortune with the shevchenko save followed by an inspired shoot out.

[Icon]

Really people cmon...get some perspective here. Its the frigging Carling Cup. Ive seen some knobhead calling for Rafa to be sacked on 6CM We played alot of youngsters, who dont look ready, but this is the perfect opportunity for them to play...a nothing competition. Sure they were shown up by the Arsenal youngsters, but it was bound to happen.

I had a feeling we would get smashed, and it turned out to be that way. Do i care? sort of...its not pretty to look at. But does it matter? no!

Why? because we have bigger things to worry about. namely Barca and catching Chelsea.

so sort your heads out and calm the **** down

I didnt see the game.

I woke up and saw the score - and sunk like Titanic.

There is NEVER an over reaction when it comes to LFC - NEVER.
We are a club where EVERY GAME is important - especially at Anfield.

If Shanks sees this thread he'll haunt your balls off.

[Harv]

I didnt see the game.

I woke up and saw the score - and sunk like Titanic.

There is NEVER an over reaction when it comes to LFC - NEVER.
We are a club where EVERY GAME is important - especially at Anfield.

If Shanks sees this thread he'll haunt your balls off.

i wouldnt mind that, i'd love to meet him

[JCase]

Really people cmon...get some perspective here. Its the frigging Carling Cup. Ive seen some knobhead calling for Rafa to be sacked on 6CM We played alot of youngsters, who dont look ready, but this is the perfect opportunity for them to play...a nothing competition. Sure they were shown up by the Arsenal youngsters, but it was bound to happen.

I had a feeling we would get smashed, and it turned out to be that way. Do i care? sort of...its not pretty to look at. But does it matter? no!

Why? because we have bigger things to worry about. namely Barca and catching Chelsea.

so sort your heads out and calm the **** down

Completely agree but I also have to say that our defending / goalkeeping was woeful. Everytime Arse go the ball in our last 3rd you would think that they would score.

Anyway I console myself that Benitez is plotting another famous European campaign and a solid league finish (2nd or 3rd).

[MrMichael]

I still think your initial post was a creditable attempt to provide some element of perspective HBM, abeit by going a little far the other way. Its a shame a few more people haven't taken it a bit more in the spirit it was intended.



Oh, and we're still going to win no. 6 this year

[Harv]

I still think your initial post was a creditable attempt to provide some element of perspective HBM, abeit by going a little far the other way. Its a shame a few more people haven't taken it a bit more in the spirit it was intended.



Oh, and we're still going to win no. 6 this year

i guess it was a bit too soon for some

[desertscouser]

Do you know what mate? You must be some kind of WUM. When you've paid your hard earned cah to go and watch that then come back and tell people they're over reacting.

It's only the CC is the most lame and ****test excuse I've heard. It's the sort of thing you hear from a manc.:whatever:

I felt for everyone at the ground tonight. Rafa's selection was a joke and he's made a laughing stock of us. He is absolutely to blame for tonight's shambolic result.

I cannot remember a season where we've lost as heavily as we have this season. Rafa needs to sort this **** out because the Champion's League win is becoming a distant memory.