The Jewish Day of Atonement 1 Rafa 0

[redblood]

another way of looking at it is if crimbo day falls on a saturday there won't be any prem games, now to someone like Yossi (as far as i'm aware christmas would just be a normal day to him) he loses out on a day he could go into work for no reason to do with his beliefs, so surely he shouldn't be refused the chance to take his particular holy day off. Solution either don't schedule games on that day if there is sufficient demand to not play (i don't think there is at this stage) or just lump it and let him do what he choses.

There are no games on Crimbo day anyway, I wouldn't have an objection to footy being played on Crimbo.
Should we stop playing football through Lent aswell as this is a period of asbtinence for many and many go on serious fasts at this time.
So lets take this to another level let's just hypothetically say Carra, Stevie, Torres and Alonso all become religious fanatics and they refuse to play any Sunday games, also they refuse to play on any Holy days etc etc is that acceptable.

[Neil Young]

There is no common ground possible to this debate.

Tolerance.

I think it's all too easy to judge others based on our own principles without allowing that someone else's principles could be equally as valid even if they differ from our own.

In other words, if Benayoun deems something important to him who am I to tell him it's tosh even if, as an atheist, I tend to think it is, hmmm?

[redblood]

What religion requires you to go out on the p*ss on a Sunday?

None but its a personal choice.

[Neil Young]

None but its a personal choice.

Blimey, you're being serious, aren't you?

[redblood]

But if it's someone's funeral and you're supposed to be working your employer should give you the day if it is important to you personally to be there. It's exactly the same, an 'essential' cultural ritual taking priority over a single day of work. It's not special treatment, everybody should have the freedom to take the odd day off work for a legitimate important event that is personal to them.

They do but everyone may at some stage need time off for a funeral so therefore it's fair because everyone gets the same treatment.

[Guest]

Tolerance.

I think it's all too easy to judge others based on our own principles without allowing that someone else's principles could be equally as valid even if they differ from our own.

In other words, if Benayoun deems something important to him who am I to tell him it's tosh even if, as an atheist, I tend to think it is, hmmm?

Common Sense.

It's too easy not to judge based on our own principles without allowing someone else's principles could be equally as invalid even if they don't differ from our own.

In other words, if Yossi deems something non important to him, who are we to tell him it's tosh even if, as a religious man, I tend to think it is, balls.

[Neil Young]

Common Sense.

It's too easy not to judge based on our own principles without allowing someone else's principles could be equally as invalid even if they don't differ from our own.

In other words, if Yossi deems something non important to him, who are we to tell him it's tosh even if, as a religious man, I tend to think it is, balls.

You're wittering again, fredo.

[Guest]

You're wittering again, fredo.

East or West ?

Ahh well ... Off for a shower. See you later old sage.

[Neil Young]

East or West ?

Ahh well ... Off for a shower. See you later old sage.

You know a lot about Sussex for a Francophone Mauritian...

[Morph]

There are no games on Crimbo day anyway,
yes i know, why do you think that is?
I wouldn't have an objection to footy being played on Crimbo.
No but many millions would, hence why we don't have crimbo day games
Should we stop playing football through Lent aswell as this is a period of abstinence for many and many go on serious fasts at this time.
Very few actually fast for 40 days, most just refrain from eating meat and may fast on specially observed days, so as such any players should be treated in the same way as yossi, play them if they are fit enough
So lets take this to another level let's just hypothetically say Carra, Stevie, Torres and Alonso all become religious fanatics and they refuse to play any Sunday games, also they refuse to play on any Holy days etc etc is that acceptable.
Here comes this refusing to play business again, as far as i;m aware he never refused to play, the difference with Stevie, Carra, Alonso and Torres suddenly doing it is that they weren't practising these beliefs when they signed contracts. But if they did take something like this up, then the club would have to its best to support the players, maybe there could be a compromise in a crisis situation such as this might create.

[Shaggy]

Giggle @ Fredo and Neil Young. It's like les and Nobby mark II.

Bit more high brow though!

Missed that one! Where can I find this little barney? Sounds like fun.

[redblood]

There are no games on Crimbo day anyway,
All players are granted this day off regardless Momo/Yossi etc are not asked to come in training therefore making it fair to all.
I wouldn't have an objection to footy being played on Crimbo.
Why would millions object?
Should we stop playing football through Lent aswell as this is a period of asbtinence for many and many go on serious fasts at this time.

What if those who do fast on those specially observed days accounts for more than half our squad.

So lets take this to another level let's just hypothetically say Carra, Stevie, Torres and Alonso all become religious fanatics and they refuse to play any Sunday games, also they refuse to play on any Holy days etc etc is that acceptable.
Ok so hypothehtically speaking if they were already heavily religious and fasted every Sun as part of their religion and on Holy days is it acceptable they don't play on these occassions. NO it's bloody well not is the answer no special exceptions to the club the league the FA to rearrange the world to suit them.
Also Yossi would've had to have refused based on the fact that he couldn't wear leather footware or bathe on Saturday either causing a health and hygiene issue to start with apart form the fact that playing with no boots would've crippled him.

As I've said mate and I've enjoyed this debate but I'm interested in fairness to all and it's how I treat my staff and no matter how fair you try to be someone else always believes they are being ****ed so it's much easier if there is a common rule for all and every one gets treated the same way.
BTW I've made the mistakes of treating some different and it has come back to bite me in the arse on more than one occassion.
So I don't believe that it's possible.

[Neil Young]

FFS, it's over for another year, isn't it? Why is this continuing?

[redblood]

FFS, it's over for another year, isn't it? Why is this continuing?

[Guest]

Missed that one! Where can I find this little barney? Sounds like fun.

For once you've been working hard and missed that altogether.

Anyway it's finished now, Neil and I even made love to each other.