No melodrama: we've lost our club

[G]

Stadium delayed,another reason why the Yanks are ******s etc etc.

All true but until someone else has a bid accepted then we're stuck with them

[Vermilion]

Bid remains is my guess.

Yep, it's just a case of them being there, waiting, i don't think any talk's have taken place since the last time, all they can do is wait, and hope Hicks is forced to sell, but as we know he's not keen, the ******.

And while all this continues, the club will have a big dark cloud above it, the stadium **** will only add to the general gloom.

[DannyMan2006]

Stadium delayed,another reason why the Yanks are ******s etc etc.

All true but until someone else has a bid accepted then we're stuck with them

All true.

Yep, it's just a case of them being there, waiting, i don't think any talk's have taken place since the last time, all they can do is wait, and hope Hicks is forced to sell, but as we know he's not keen, the ******.

And while all this continues, the club will have a big dark cloud above it, the stadium **** will only add to the general gloom.

Also true.

[calvoboy]

Well at least Mascherano signed

Amazing looking through some of that how mindless some people are. People tend to wait for the stone cold facts, but by the time they come out it is normally too late.

As far as I'm aware, the LFC supporting journos have always been AGAINST the Yanks and FOR DIC. That says a alot to me.

I'd say it's more that some people tend to make decisions based on the available facts, rather than jumping in with campaigns based on hearsay and friend of a friend type rumours, most of which actually turned out to be false. (Rafa going, Mascher going, not signing any players in January etc.)

This stadium news is a huge negative for H&G though, and I don't understand why they can't put up the guarantees for the money. They've certainly got enough assets between them to cover the £200m and the stadium is a safe bet - it should comfortably pay for itself, meaning their guarantees would not be at risk. They've already spent a huge amount of money on the preparatory work, and all of that's been wasted if we don't go ahead and build it. The only logical explanation to me is that they don't plan on being at the club for long, and so don't want to tie themselves into any long term loan deals. If that's true then hopefully this is a sign that in the very near future they will sell to Dubai, take their profit and f*** off back to the US?

[dww]

I'd say it's more that some people tend to make decisions based on the available facts, rather than jumping in with campaigns based on hearsay and friend of a friend type rumours, most of which turned out to be false. (Rafa going, Mascher going, not signing players etc.)

This stadium news is a huge negative for H&G though, and I don't understand why they can't put up the guarantees for the money. They've certainly got enough assets between them to cover the £200m and the stadium is a safe bet - it should comfortably pay for itself, meaning their guarantees would not be at risk. They've already spent a huge amount of money on the preparatory work, and all of that's been wasted if we don't go ahead and build it. The only logical explanation to me is that they don't plan on being at the club for long, and so don't want to tie themselves into any long term loan deals. If that's true then hopefully this is a sign that in the very near future they will sell to Dubai, take their profit and f*** off back to the US?

I'm still not convinced that DIC are the shining knights that some make out.

[Tee]

I'm still not convinced that DIC are the shining knights that some make out.

why?

[Vermilion]

I'm still not convinced that DIC are the shining knights that some make out.

I agree, they are only potential saviours, but surely they must be better than who we have, that's the point as we stand.

[DannyMan2006]

I'd say it's more that some people tend to make decisions based on the available facts, rather than jumping in with campaigns based on hearsay and friend of a friend type rumours, most of which actually turned out to be false. (Rafa going, Mascher going, not signing any players in January etc.)

This stadium news is a huge negative for H&G though, and I don't understand why they can't put up the guarantees for the money. They've certainly got enough assets between them to cover the £200m and the stadium is a safe bet - it should comfortably pay for itself, meaning their guarantees would not be at risk. They've already spent a huge amount of money on the preparatory work, and all of that's been wasted if we don't go ahead and build it. The only logical explanation to me is that they don't plan on being at the club for long, and so don't want to tie themselves into any long term loan deals. If that's true then hopefully this is a sign that in the very near future they will sell to Dubai, take their profit and f*** off back to the US?

I understand that, the point that I was trying to make was that with all the negative press towards the Yanks and all the insider info saying that they were not what they claimed, people disregarded all of this and refused to believe there were problems as they could not see the exact truth.

My point is that as an outsider we will never get this, even after they have gone. We shall only ever get half truths from both camps. If you can't make a decision based on these then so be it. But as I said, all usually pro LFC sources suggested that all was not well, and yet people blindly ignored all this and took the word of some joker who had never posted anything other than pro Hicks bull ****.

[dww]

why?

Because I have seen nothing to indicate they they are anything other than hard headed business men who will want a financial return. I'm not saying that I wouldn't take them over G&H (at least they are likely to have a well set up business with solid lines of communication) I just don't see them splashing enormous amounts on players or any of the other myriad things that so many demand. With the credit crunch I'm unsure they would start the stadium build yet either.

In general I am simply wary of things I don't know. At the time G&H seemed a dcent thing to me as at least I thought they would have the self interest of wanting us to do well. In some ways they have done reasonably (I think they have provided reasonable funding for transfers - although I would question their way of deciding when to spend and the way they have informed Rafa of those decisions) but in others they have been a disaster. At the very least in the pre-credit crunch era I expected them to start the stadium and they have ****ed that up royally so far.

[Imy]

Because I have seen nothing to indicate they they are anything other than hard headed business men who will want a financial return. I'm not saying that I wouldn't take them over G&H (at least they are likely to have a well set up business with solid lines of communication) I just don't see them splashing enormous amounts on players or any of the other myriad things that so many demand. With the credit crunch I'm unsure they would start the stadium build yet either.

In general I am simply wary of things I don't know. At the time G&H seemed a dcent thing to me as at least I thought they would have the self interest of wanting us to do well. In some ways they have done reasonably (I think they have provided reasonable funding for transfers - although I would question their way of deciding when to spend and the way they have informed Rafa of those decisions) but in others they have been a disaster. At the very least in the pre-credit crunch era I expected them to start the stadium and they have ****ed that up royally so far.

Have you seen what Sheikh Maktoum has done/is doing to Dubai? I am not saying he will use the same business model for LFC but these guys truly know how to spend money.

Ultimately we don't know what any perspective owner is going to be like, but i rather Dubai then the misleading G&H/Parry and Moores.

[dww]

Have you seen what Sheikh Maktoum has done/is doing to Dubai? I am not saying he will use the same business model for LFC but these guys truly know how to spend money.

Ultimately we don't know what any perspective owner is going to be like, but i rather Dubai then the misleading G&H/Parry and Moores.

Yes but DIC runs the likes of Travelodge. It is a profit making vehicle. The development of Dubai is obviously something different. The reports that I have seen when this have come out have been mixed as to the effects of the credit crunch and wider economic conditions on Dubai but I think a low return, high risk investment like LFC is not looking overly appealing to them at this time.

I'm not saying I'm anti them I just don't necessarily think they will be some sort of cure all.

[Tee]

Because I have seen nothing to indicate they they are anything other than hard headed business men who will want a financial return. I'm not saying that I wouldn't take them over G&H (at least they are likely to have a well set up business with solid lines of communication) I just don't see them splashing enormous amounts on players or any of the other myriad things that so many demand. With the credit crunch I'm unsure they would start the stadium build yet either.

In general I am simply wary of things I don't know. At the time G&H seemed a dcent thing to me as at least I thought they would have the self interest of wanting us to do well. In some ways they have done reasonably (I think they have provided reasonable funding for transfers - although I would question their way of deciding when to spend and the way they have informed Rafa of those decisions) but in others they have been a disaster. At the very least in the pre-credit crunch era I expected them to start the stadium and they have ****ed that up royally so far.

We will never know, but I am convinced if DIC did originally take control things would be a lot different on and off the pitch. For the better off the pitch I am sure, but on it I am not.

I trust DIC way more than I ever would G&H. Liverpool FC would take pride and joy in their portfolio and there is no way they would have created this instability we are experiencing.

[Imy]

Yes but DIC runs the likes of Travelodge. It is a profit making vehicle. The development of Dubai is obviously something different. The reports that I have seen when this have come out have been mixed as to the effects of the credit crunch and wider economic conditions on Dubai but I think a low return, high risk investment like LFC is not looking overly appealing to them at this time.

I'm not saying I'm anti them I just don't necessarily think they will be some sort of cure all.

I'm sure i've read that Sheik Maktoum himself and not the DIC banner were looking at taking over the club. Also sure Travelodge is one of the biggest expanding Hotel chains in either Europe/America or even the world (its been a long time since i read this),

Some of the crazy stuff their doing in Dubai kind of says they have more money then brains or is their some logic to the madness (it certainly has got the tourists in).

But anyway sod that, we have Hicks, Gillett and Parry...yeah...oh

[dww]

I'm sure i've read that Sheik Maktoum himself and not the DIC banner were looking at taking over the club. Also sure Travelodge is one of the biggest expanding Hotel chains in either Europe/America or even the world (its been a long time since i read this),

Some of the crazy stuff their doing in Dubai kind of says they have more money then brains or is their some logic to the madness (it certainly has got the tourists in).

But anyway sod that, we have Hicks, Gillett and Parry...yeah...oh

I wasn't meaning to say anything about there management of Travelodge just that it is not a prestige investment but purely financial - which is what I understand is the point of DIC.

I know there have been rumours of Sheik Maktoum taking over personally but there have been the same about DIC buying Man City or Newcastle so I'm not putting any faith in it.

[Rich]

DIC could/would/should remove the instability of the credit crunch from the construction of the stadium in so much as getting the moulah to build it.

They may or may not have the football savvy that G&H clearly don't have.

They would certainly want some kind of return on investment; more than likely monetary but we can dream!