No melodrama: we've lost our club

[AFII]

So Moores should have kept his shares then??

DIC had WITHDRAWN their bid in a pique of temper when GG&TH gazumped them and Moores advised he had to duly consider their offer according to SE & Takeover panel rules

The thing is we dont not what the Americans have promised or guaranteed to David Moores

Lets face it they have even gone back on promises made publicly (ie no debt on the club) god only knows what they promised privately

So Moores should have sold the club to someone without any done and dusted plans for the new stadium, that means how it will look like and how they will pay for it.

I didn't say that Moores should have kept his shares, just that he could have financed the stadium in the same way as G&H are now planning to do.

The key word is that Moores had to consider the bid from G&H, he didn't need to accept it, but he had to consider it. He could have turned them down and accepted a bid from someone else.

He should never have sold the club without any written deal with G&H how they will finance the deal to buy the club, no debts to be put on the club, and the stadium.

It's ok that they will loan money to build the stadium but not to put the money they bought the club for as debts against the club. That's one thing Moores should have got on paper when he sold the club.

[Red_hot]

slashes wrists

[Lecter]

There are a lot of contradictory messages in the press at the moment. Rafa apparently happy to sign a new deal (could be calling their bluff I suppose) and looking to buy two new defenders.

Maybe I'm living in a ivory tower here but Rafa could have reflected on his situation and just be happy with his lot

His family are settled, he is, he likes the job, feels he can deliver a reasonable amount of success despite budget restrictions etc..

Maybe its complete fantasy on my behalf

[Rocket]

Moores couldnt underwrite the stadium costs, nobody would loan him that kind of money

don't waste your time fella

[Rocket]

I didn't say that Moores should have kept his shares, just that he could have financed the stadium in the same way as G&H are now planning to do.

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no he couldn't have.

[livvy145]

slashes wrists

:candle:

[Guest]

don't waste your time fella

He's still banging about the same thing despite Lecter's numerous attempts to explain that to him.

[Morten_nogamst_Pedersen]

don't waste your time fella

No, just put a Rocket up the Skando's arses!

[Vermilion]

Wish i had your optimism, or is it BLIND FAITH?

[Lecter]

So Moores should have sold the club to someone without any done and dusted plans for the new stadium, that means how it will look like and how they will pay for it.

I didn't say that Moores should have kept his shares, just that he could have financed the stadium in the same way as G&H are now planning to do.

The key word is that Moores had to consider the bid from G&H, he didn't need to accept it, but he had to consider it. He could have turned them down and accepted a bid from someone else.

He should never have sold the club without any written deal with G&H how they will finance the deal to buy the club, no debts to be put on the club, and the stadium.

It's ok that they will loan money to build the stadium but not to put the money they bought the club for as debts against the club. That's one thing Moores should have got on paper when he sold the club.

How do you know they didnt show plans for the new stadium, they would almost certainly have to show promisory notes and guarantees on their finances

Moores would NEVER in a million years of got the financial backing to build the stadium. Hes worth circa £100-150 million personally (the bulk of that was the shares in the club). In addition he was probably given guarantees they wouldnt heap debt on the club (which as a fan he clearly didnt want to do)

Look at how difficult it is to get financing for people worth 2 or 3 times as much as Moores

The thing you constantly miss AFII is that when Moores advised to DIC that he had to CONSIDER a rival bid they threw their toys out of the pram and fecked off

The only bid left was GG&TH with their promises and guarantees

Lets face it when they arrived after a period of initial nervousness there was a reasonable acceptance of them, certainly after they purchased Torres. The faith in them has only be eroded after the transfer window shut and we heard their significant spends followed by the stadium disaster

Hindsight is a great thing and its something you appear to specialise in yet in the real business world you can only take people at face value and make an informed and advised decision on

[Scratch]

Wish i had your optimism, or is it BLIND FAITH?

Or could it be just not blindly believing every unsubstantiated story in the press, full of speculation and badly reached conclusions with nary a quote from anyone of note to back it up?

Perhaps some of us will actually wait and see what happens, rather than jumping on the doom and gloom bandwagon.

And to the fellow who will give up his season ticket if we don't sign Mascher, give me a PM as well and i'll make you a decent offer.

[The Birdman]

Forgive me, I thought a Liverpool fans forum with 'fans' posting on it was just that. An opportunity for us to discuss our club but it seems more and more posts are becoming depressing, anti Rafa, anti Liverpool, anti Owners etc.. I appreciate some posters on here have inside info and I for one appreciate them posting what they can when they can.
But the bottom line is do any of us really know what is going on? wasn't it only a week or so ago that the all knowing Chris Bascombe wrote that Rafa was getting the sack and because he used to write for the Echo and had contacts etc.. everyone took it as gospel well he was still in the dug out last night.
The point I'm trying to make is if I wanted to have my day filled with depressing, doom and gloom anti Liverpool conversation I'd chat to my father-in-law or my mates who are Manc and Arsenal fans.
If we can't stay positive what hope is there?

[Rocket]

He's still banging about the same thing despite Lecter's numerous attempts to explain that to him.

he's very knowledgable you know

put certain words in Bold really emphasises his points though

[Morten_nogamst_Pedersen]

Perhaps some of us will actually wait and see what happens, rather than jumping on the doom and gloom bandwagon.

[Lecter]

He should never have sold the club without any written deal with G&H how they will finance the deal to buy the club, no debts to be put on the club, and the stadium.

It's ok that they will loan money to build the stadium but not to put the money they bought the club for as debts against the club. That's one thing Moores should have got on paper when he sold the club.

Unfortunately in the real world NOBODY would give written guarantees as to how their purchase would be financed

Thats private and personal to them, they would give verbal agreements (and even gave them publicly) but the structure of their finances is their own internal matter and not for Moores to dictate

Really AF you need to think in real world business terms not just in terms of the Utopian world you live in