Do you still have faith?

[thesilverfoxlfc]

You do in your arse!

You can do it in all places Nic and if the ball happens to deflect into the goal off your arse then so be it

[Johnny]

No-one thinks we have a divine right to win the league but there are a few thing we do have a right to demand, like competing with our rivals.

18 years gives you time to build up a fair amount of frustration.

The almighty ManU waited 26yrs after Fergie was 8 yrs at the helm and given a huge budjet while Kenny walked away and left sounness to desicrate a great team.Something we`ve struggled to recoup because our owners watched manu beat us in everything Finacially.

The buck stops at Moores and it might take a decade to catch up on Manure on the pitch regarding transfers.Wake up.rafa has had his hands tied compared to Fergie and That cunt at Chelsea.

[Johnny]

I am not for one minute suggesting Rafa is on the brink - merely illustrating that back then it was a "bad state of affairs"....just as it is now.

If you think everything's hunky dory, then fine, carry on.

i`m wasting my time while your in this mood,let`s hope you wake back to normal.This isn`t you Shaggs.

[AFII]

I`m worried that our fans think we have a divine right to win the league when we can`t compete in the transfer market.
Our team could do with Berbatov and Anelka.Where do you think they`ll go to.

Where did Ronaldo,Malouda and others go to????


Rafa made no mistakes today,Morres and Parry dug this hole.

It takes a long time to sort up the mess after Moores and Houllier.

Rafa had to start his job with a "****" squad. A lot of players that simply wasn't even close to be good enough on very high wages. That means that we had to loan them out or sell them on the cheap and cover the wage difference. Rafa didn't more or less get any money at all from the players he sold off but he had to get rid of them.

That is really a **** ground to stand and start to build your house on.

He has done a fantastic job signing as many high quality players that he has when you consider the budget he has had to work with. Look at our youngsters, they have won the FA youth cup two seasons in a row, that is a fantastic achievement.

It takes a lot of effort and money to win the PL. Rafa need to be given time and money to continue to deliver excellent results because it's excellent when you consider the **** starting position and not competitive transfer budgets.

We don't spend more than what teams like Tottenham, Newcastle and West Ham do for example but Rafa have won the CL once and taken us to another final, won the FA Cup and finished with a record number of points in the PL.

We should be fighting for a CL place when you consider our budget and Rafa's starting position, not the league title.

[thesilverfoxlfc]

Difference between us and Manure is just look at how many 30 million players they have a look how many we have.......

We until Torres were scared to spend big on players hence we lost out on so many cause Moores and Parry were cheap

Look how good Torres has turned out......again if you want the best you gotta spend

[bigfooty]

Difference between us and Manure is just look at how many 30 million players they have a look how many we have.......

We until Torres were scared to spend big on players hence we lost out on so many cause Moores and Parry were cheap

Look how good Torres has turned out......again if you want the best you gotta spend

If it's all about the money though we would canter past teams such as Birmingham, Wigan, Man City and Blackburn. Valencia would never have won the titles they did surpassing Real Madrid and Barcelona. Chelsea would win every season as their squad almost certainly cost more than any other in the league and Arsenal wouldn't have a hope in hell this season when you consider the cost of their squad is tiny compared to Utd / Chelsea (and maybe us too).

The fact is that in Spain Rafa was up against the odds yet delivered. In part it was down to the nature of the league though where about 10 less points per season are required to claim the title. There is, to be blunt, more room to be average. Over here every off day you have can potentially be the difference between winning and losing the title. 5 off-days and you're really up against it. That's why there are sensationalist headlines every time one Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd lose and even when they fail to win.

I think Hicks was right in what he said about the mental attitude of the side. Sometimes I feel that Rafa sends us out looking to ensure we don't lose as the primary goal, rather than the more positive attitude Arsenal and Man Utd tend to display. Today post game he talked about needing more luck. If we're in a position where we need luck to get a result against Wigan then something really is very wrong.

[Johnny]

If it's all about the money though we would canter past teams such as Birmingham, Wigan, Man City and Blackburn. Valencia would never have won the titles they did surpassing Real Madrid and Barcelona. Chelsea would win every season as their squad almost certainly cost more than any other in the league and Arsenal wouldn't have a hope in hell this season when you consider the cost of their squad is tiny compared to Utd / Chelsea (and maybe us too).

The fact is that in Spain Rafa was up against the odds yet delivered. In part it was down to the nature of the league though where about 10 less points per season are required to claim the title. There is, to be blunt, more room to be average. Over here every off day you have can potentially be the difference between winning and losing the title. 5 off-days and you're really up against it. That's why there are sensationalist headlines every time one Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd lose and even when they fail to win.

I think Hicks was right in what he said about the mental attitude of the side. Sometimes I feel that Rafa sends us out looking to ensure we don't lose as the primary goal, rather than the more positive attitude Arsenal and Man Utd tend to display. Today post game he talked about needing more luck. If we're in a position where we need luck to get a result against Wigan then something really is very wrong.

I`d answer but it wouldn`t change your mind misery guts.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Can someone show me who is the tactical genius Rafa Benitez.
One man up front against Wigan. Yes Wigan.
Rafa's not a tactical genius, he's just too clever for his own good. He thinks he can try fancy new formations against inferior opposition and we'll come up trumps. Sorry Rafa but you're suffering the same delusions as some of our fans. Just the name Liverpool Football Club doesn't guarantee you a win.

He paid £11m for Babel so what does he do when the chips are down? Sticks the lumbering Deadly Dirk on the wing. Nice one.
He paid £11m for Babel yet prefers Harry Kewell, a player whose best days are long gone.
He paid £11m for Babel, £10m for Kuyt and £7m for Crouch yet prefers a central midfielder as a second striker.
Basically what you're saying Rafa is that the strikers YOU bought simply aren't good enough.

We're no nearer winning the league now than we've ever been.

Do me a favour and stop using the league as your practice ground for European success.

I've had enough of Rafa the 'tactical genius'.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Can someone show me who is the tactical genius Rafa Benitez.
One man up front against Wigan. Yes Wigan.
Rafa's not a tactical genius, he's just too clever for his own good. He thinks he can try fancy new formations against inferior opposition and we'll come up trumps. Sorry Rafa but you're suffering the same delusions as some of our fans. Just the name Liverpool Football Club doesn't guarantee you a win.

He paid £11m for Babel so what does he do when the chips are down? Sticks the lumbering Deadly Dirk on the wing. Nice one.
He paid £11m for Babel yet prefers Harry Kewell, a player whose best days are long gone.
He paid £11m for Babel, £10m for Kuyt and £7m for Crouch yet prefers a central midfielder as a second striker.
Basically what you're saying Rafa is that the strikers YOU bought simply aren't good enough.

We're no nearer winning the league now than we've ever been.

Do me a favour and stop using the league as your practice ground for European success.

I've had enough of Rafa the 'tactical genius'.

Lazy get, you copied and pasted that.

[Red Chilli]

Can someone show me who is the tactical genius Rafa Benitez.
One man up front against Wigan. Yes Wigan.
Rafa's not a tactical genius, he's just too clever for his own good. He thinks he can try fancy new formations against inferior opposition and we'll come up trumps. Sorry Rafa but you're suffering the same delusions as some of our fans. Just the name Liverpool Football Club doesn't guarantee you a win.

He paid £11m for Babel so what does he do when the chips are down? Sticks the lumbering Deadly Dirk on the wing. Nice one.
He paid £11m for Babel yet prefers Harry Kewell, a player whose best days are long gone.
He paid £11m for Babel, £10m for Kuyt and £7m for Crouch yet prefers a central midfielder as a second striker.
Basically what you're saying Rafa is that the strikers YOU bought simply aren't good enough.

We're no nearer winning the league now than we've ever been.

Do me a favour and stop using the league as your practice ground for European success.

I've had enough of Rafa the 'tactical genius'.

Agree with the sentiment, slightly more strongly worded than I'd use

"Football is a simple game complicated by idiots"

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Agree with the sentiment, slightly more strongly worded than I'd use

That was tame for me.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Lazy get, you copied and pasted that.

Haha. Fair cop.

I just hope Rafa doesn't start ****ing moaning about transfer money when he's spunked £11m on a player who is behind Harry Kewell, Jermaine Pennant, Deadly Dirk, Peter Crouch and Steven Gerrard in the striker stakes.

[vonk]

The tide is turning after we put in two totally dominating performances against two teams who set their stalls out for a draw and put 11 men behind the ball in both games.
Lady luck is not with us.Nothing to do with the manager or team who were faultless in the last two games.

Most "Fans" on here need to get a grip.


I really hope we win the CL Final for the second time in 4 yrs just to see our fairweather fans squirm.

That's the thing though. It's not that absolutely every Liverpool fan does not WANT Rafa to succeed. I want him to succeed more than anyone. I love the man for what he has done for us. I hope beyond belief he proves me wrong, I'm not stating **** on here just to be proven right. Its more than that. We all care deeply about this club, those who go to games and those who don't. Those who annoy us and those who we admire on here, to a man (or woman), love Rafa and LFC. But LFC more. I'd gladly eat humble pie if he delivers and we go to Moscow. What I want in my heart and what my eyes tell me are different. Our style of play is ****. We have better players that everyone bar Arse, Chelsea, Scum, yet we simply underperform. The question for all is do we wait and give him another few years of this or do we cut and run. Never an easy decision, but one that has to be made. If Rafa/Parry/G+H come out and say that we won't CHALLENGE for another 4 years, then so be it. We might all expect this. But everyone expected us to really challenge this year and exactly half way through the season we are done. Fighting for fourth with teams who are catching us and we have a genuine fight for 4th on our hands. The debate is on whether to continue down the road or not. Not whether we want to be proved right. Being right is irrelevant to me. A successful, football-playing Liverpool is everything.

[Johnny]

Can someone show me who is the tactical genius Rafa Benitez.
One man up front against Wigan. Yes Wigan.
Rafa's not a tactical genius, he's just too clever for his own good. He thinks he can try fancy new formations against inferior opposition and we'll come up trumps. Sorry Rafa but you're suffering the same delusions as some of our fans. Just the name Liverpool Football Club doesn't guarantee you a win.

He paid £11m for Babel so what does he do when the chips are down? Sticks the lumbering Deadly Dirk on the wing. Nice one.
He paid £11m for Babel yet prefers Harry Kewell, a player whose best days are long gone.
He paid £11m for Babel, £10m for Kuyt and £7m for Crouch yet prefers a central midfielder as a second striker.
Basically what you're saying Rafa is that the strikers YOU bought simply aren't good enough.

We're no nearer winning the league now than we've ever been.

Do me a favour and stop using the league as your practice ground for European success.

I've had enough of Rafa the 'tactical genius'.

So you think Babel is the answer to our problems.

[thesilverfoxlfc]

So you think Babel is the answer to our problems.

So you admit we have problems??