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Paul.S
i cuncur with your well thought out statement above, eloquently put also, couldnt have said it any better myself
"Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.
"Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."
We expect 100% commitment from the players, the fans should be the same.
Right now things arent going well on the pitch but it'll come good. This is the best set up we have had since we last won the league. Negativity breeds negativity.
Mate, you and I and others on here can waffle between ourselves and disagree/agree and its no problem at all. Yet yesterday I come on here and there are people who are openly saying they want Rafa gone and Jose in and sadly, sometimes you have to use language they will understand.
It is a disgrace to Rafa and fellow fans to be like that. Its not like the dark days of Houllier or Souness right now is it? You and I know we are close unlike then and for Rafa to be treated like this from the clubs fans, to me is an absolute disgrace. I know its not sweetness and light and sometimes Rafa baffles me just like yourself but again, we are not in **** street.
I think that left to his own devices that he would bring us the title within 2 years. He atleast deserves the same amount of time as Houllier. By the end of 09/10 we can see where we are with Rafa. If we arent any closer and signs arent good then its, 'Thank you very much Rafa, youve done your best but its time for someone else, no hard feelings'.
All this **** that surrounds Rafa and LFC is no good. Its like, lets say youre doing a gig and everyone is talkiong about you and doubting your technique and you pick up the Echo and its saying **** like 'Alun Parry best pull out a good gig or his days are numbered' and then you go on to your website and people are douting you and some are suggesting getting someone else in to sing your songs for you. Next time you have a gig you'll be ****ting yourself and feeling the pressure. Now imagine what its like for Rafa and the boys? The team need our support, and if they have our support then all the **** in the papers wil go because we are ignoring it.
Lets face it, we the fans do hold some power. They used to say the Kop sucked the ball in, it frightened teams. Now the fans are frightening thier own players. Players are written off before the game has kicked off. All any Liverpool fan can ask is for the team and manager to give thier all for the cause, if its not enough then we get better but we give them the chance. Same goes for managers. When its not working, we get rid. Its still working, its far from broken. Rough with the smooth.
Anyway thats enough waffle. LFC for the Cup.
****ing well said that man.
Rafa said it himself he loves us, the club and the city. It can't be easy having every single thing in the media glare. Every team he puts out he has some paper or some **** pundit slagging him off. All the ****s on Sky do is talk about Rafa and it's getting ****ing boring. Now we come on to a Liverpool website and people are already talking about Mourinho it's a ****ing disgrace and people need to take a good hard look at themselves. If Rafa does go there will be a que of clubs looking to snap him up. He is a world class manager one that has brought us number 5 and so nearly number six. The man can win us the title if people leave him alone and let him do his job.
**** off Mourinho you cunt I don't want you anywhere near our great club you arrogant ****.
Thanks. Took a while. Had to really consider some great options but sometimes short and thick is best.
your bird happy enough with that too
"Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.
"Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."
We expect 100% commitment from the players, the fans should be the same.
Right now things arent going well on the pitch but it'll come good. This is the best set up we have had since we last won the league. Negativity breeds negativity.
Mate, you and I and others on here can waffle between ourselves and disagree/agree and its no problem at all. Yet yesterday I come on here and there are people who are openly saying they want Rafa gone and Jose in and sadly, sometimes you have to use language they will understand.
It is a disgrace to Rafa and fellow fans to be like that. Its not like the dark days of Houllier or Souness right now is it? You and I know we are close unlike then and for Rafa to be treated like this from the clubs fans, to me is an absolute disgrace. I know its not sweetness and light and sometimes Rafa baffles me just like yourself but again, we are not in **** street.
I think that left to his own devices that he would bring us the title within 2 years. He atleast deserves the same amount of time as Houllier. By the end of 09/10 we can see where we are with Rafa. If we arent any closer and signs arent good then its, 'Thank you very much Rafa, youve done your best but its time for someone else, no hard feelings'.
All this **** that surrounds Rafa and LFC is no good. Its like, lets say youre doing a gig and everyone is talkiong about you and doubting your technique and you pick up the Echo and its saying **** like 'Alun Parry best pull out a good gig or his days are numbered' and then you go on to your website and people are douting you and some are suggesting getting someone else in to sing your songs for you. Next time you have a gig you'll be ****ting yourself and feeling the pressure. Now imagine what its like for Rafa and the boys? The team need our support, and if they have our support then all the **** in the papers wil go because we are ignoring it.
Lets face it, we the fans do hold some power. They used to say the Kop sucked the ball in, it frightened teams. Now the fans are frightening thier own players. Players are written off before the game has kicked off. All any Liverpool fan can ask is for the team and manager to give thier all for the cause, if its not enough then we get better but we give them the chance. Same goes for managers. When its not working, we get rid. Its still working, its far from broken. Rough with the smooth.
Anyway thats enough waffle. LFC for the Cup.
Rafa is the king!
Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."
Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.
Rafa said it himself he loves us, the club and the city. It can't be easy having every single thing in the media glare. Every team he puts out he has some paper or some **** pundit slagging him off. All the ****s on Sky do is talk about Rafa and it's getting ****ing boring. Now we come on to a Liverpool website and people are already talking about Mourinho it's a ****ing disgrace and people need to take a good hard look at themselves. If Rafa does go there will be a que of clubs looking to snap him up. He is a world class manager one that has brought us number 5 and so nearly number six. The man can win us the title if people leave him alone and let him do his job.
**** off Mourinho you cunt I don't want you anywhere near our great club you arrogant ****.
But plenty of US love the club, the city etc etc...
There's still a certain obligation attached to the job and requirements there.
As for the media glare, and it not being easy - it's fecking premier league management, if it was easy, all of us would be doing it for a £4m salary.
But plenty of US love the club, the city etc etc...
There's still a certain obligation attached to the job and requirements there.
As for the media glare, and it not being easy - it's fecking premier league management, if it was easy, all of us would be doing it for a £4m salary.
It's not MEANT to be easy.
Behave.
Every time we play it's Rafa's rotation this, is he leaving that, Rafa is a dead man walking, Rafa is already gone even in the ****ing commentary yesterday they were bleating on about it. When we played wigan that John Salko(Sp) cunt said it was a nail in Rafa's coffin when Bramble scored it's a ****ing joke.
And to make matters worse some disrespectful cunts on here are already championing Mourinho as his replacement.
But plenty of US love the club, the city etc etc...
There's still a certain obligation attached to the job and requirements there.
As for the media glare, and it not being easy - it's fecking premier league management, if it was easy, all of us would be doing it for a £4m salary.
It's not MEANT to be easy.
No its not going to be easy but some 'fans' are not making it any easier are they? Anyone can deal with flack from ones they dont care about but when youre own are sticking the knife in, then it hurts.
Bill Oddie, Bill Oddie, put your hands all over my body.
Originally Posted by Revo View Post
the biggest disappointment here is the lack of respect for benitez. what is so ****ing hard to be humble and let the cards fall where they are going to fall? am i happy? am i ****, but the man rafa has done more than enough for me to keep my mouth shut and see how the season and the drama with the new owners pans out. for those of you spouting mourhinio, stop being selfish cunts.stop with the ****ing polls and the sub forum anti rafa **** and act like true reds. support the manager, be brave and stand up. the current form hurts but we are close, lets not fold now but stick together.
imho, rafa is a dead man walking and i will be ****ed if i am going to stick the knife in or even mention any support for any ****ing manager as long as rafa still owns the managers seat. the americans will have their own agenda and the last thing rafa needs is the backlash from ourside as well. im asking each and everyone of you to stand tall until the end of the season
No its not going to be easy but some 'fans' are not making it any easier are they? Anyone can deal with flack from ones they dont care about but when youre own are sticking the knife in, then it hurts.
You dont half over dramatise mate.
Sticking the knife in? Most of us are just being honest and saying that they're not seeing enough to suggest rafa's going to win us the title...or even make a serious challenge.
Nobody WANTS to feel that way, we're just reacting in an honest manner to what we see.
His tenure so far seems to offer more evidence that he WONT win the title than evidence to suggest that he will. Or would you not agree?
Sticking the knife in? Most of us are just being honest and saying that they're not seeing enough to suggest rafa's going to win us the title...or even make a serious challenge.
Nobody WANTS to feel that way, we're just reacting in an honest manner to what we see.
His tenure so far seems to offer more evidence that he WONT win the title than evidence to suggest that he will. Or would you not agree?
And some of us think you are being far too hasty. If you are allowed to say it, surely we can criticise it. FFS mate you have already appointed the replacement!
Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24
agree totally with colin. i don't see him with the poison and disgust that others do. i can understand their points but i just dont see it that way.
if we sack rafa, which none of is bar the utd fan flamers want, then i can only hope we get mourinho otherwise we are likely to be heading to mediocrity. who else? klinnsman? mclaren? hitzfeld?
We expect 100% commitment from the players, the fans should be the same.
Right now things arent going well on the pitch but it'll come good. This is the best set up we have had since we last won the league. Negativity breeds negativity.
Mate, you and I and others on here can waffle between ourselves and disagree/agree and its no problem at all. Yet yesterday I come on here and there are people who are openly saying they want Rafa gone and Jose in and sadly, sometimes you have to use language they will understand.
It is a disgrace to Rafa and fellow fans to be like that. Its not like the dark days of Houllier or Souness right now is it? You and I know we are close unlike then and for Rafa to be treated like this from the clubs fans, to me is an absolute disgrace. I know its not sweetness and light and sometimes Rafa baffles me just like yourself but again, we are not in **** street.
I think that left to his own devices that he would bring us the title within 2 years. He atleast deserves the same amount of time as Houllier. By the end of 09/10 we can see where we are with Rafa. If we arent any closer and signs arent good then its, 'Thank you very much Rafa, youve done your best but its time for someone else, no hard feelings'.
All this **** that surrounds Rafa and LFC is no good. Its like, lets say youre doing a gig and everyone is talkiong about you and doubting your technique and you pick up the Echo and its saying **** like 'Alun Parry best pull out a good gig or his days are numbered' and then you go on to your website and people are douting you and some are suggesting getting someone else in to sing your songs for you. Next time you have a gig you'll be ****ting yourself and feeling the pressure. Now imagine what its like for Rafa and the boys? The team need our support, and if they have our support then all the **** in the papers wil go because we are ignoring it.
Lets face it, we the fans do hold some power. They used to say the Kop sucked the ball in, it frightened teams. Now the fans are frightening thier own players. Players are written off before the game has kicked off. All any Liverpool fan can ask is for the team and manager to give thier all for the cause, if its not enough then we get better but we give them the chance. Same goes for managers. When its not working, we get rid. Its still working, its far from broken. Rough with the smooth.
Anyway thats enough waffle. LFC for the Cup.
But that's what they DO say
Seriously though, I agree with what you say completely. I guess that's why I refrained from booing at the end of the Wigan game while others went for it. I'm not as convinced that Rafa'll win us the league myself.
And no we're not in **** street by any means. In English football, a manager is two things. A coach (who deals with team selection and setup) and a director of football (who deals with the club structure, scouting, bringing in players, sorting out the youth system).
I'd say Rafa has been an outstanding manager in terms of what he has done in his director of football role. I think where he is letting himself down is his on the field stuff. He just baffles me there and in my view is too cautious.
That aside, as I've previously said, I don't think the owners are gunning for him over football issues. Nor do I trust them to pick the right replacement. I think we'd end up with someone who we have more doubts over than we have with Rafa. And then I think the crowd would likely react quite desperately and the club would be completely destabilised.
The only reason I responded is cos I don't think it's good to throw insults at fellow posters, even if it's sometimes tempting. Other than that, I don't think our views are too far apart
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