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https://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=4002484#post4002484
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Paul.S
OK, let's clear a few points up here. I am not pro-G&H, far from it. I'm not even pro-DIC as I don't know enough about them other than they are ruthless businessmen and would do anything to get what they want.
Also, I am definitely not anti-Rafa Benitez.
All I am saying is that there are better ways of making your point rather than protesting like this in public. Only a week or two ago Hicks was condemned by many for "doing his dirty washing in public" and how it wasn't "the Liverpool Way". Well WTF are RTK doing?!
Finally, I am not blaming Rafa entirely for our poor recent results but what better way to paper over the cracks than to deflect the criticism through your mates in the media onto other people? I bet Mourinho wishes he'd done that now. And Jol. And especially Allardyce...
Believe me, no-one on this site is more passionate about our great club than me but sometimes you have to think for yourself and not just follow blindly like the rest of the sheep...
Care to elaborate?
As fans all I can see as an option open to us is public voicing of our concerns,regardless of whether thats un palatable.People talk of the liverpool way but I recently read a book on Bob paisley and was quite surprised that he often came out in the press and vented at players and other things he wasn't happy about,both when manager and when a director.If something needs saying then it should be said,and on the terrace is the fans only real way of saying it in unison.
Did Utd Scum not have a **** season when Fergie was meant to be leaving, But ofcourse it doesnt affect players does it, WE can't use it as an excuse, i seem to remember all the media using it as one for those ******s.
Liverpool FC finance restructuring plan hits a snag, claim City sources
Jan 22 2008
CONTROVERSIAL plans by the owners of Liverpool FC to restructure their debt have hit a problem.
City sources said today that the proposed £350m deal with the Royal Bank of Scotland could collapse, and DIC is waiting in the wings to make a move for the club should that happen.
Tom Hicks says the deal is on course, but speculation is growing about George Gillett's ability to secure the loan.
The source said: "There is no doubt that Hicks is ready to put up the money that the RBS has asked for. But the situation may not be the same with Gillett."
The situation is also clouded by the ongoing crisis in the US and Canadian stock markets.
Financial experts now believe a recession is almost inevitable.
With Hicks and Gillett having secured the initial loan to buy Liverpool against assets in American and Canada, their financial position is not as strong today as it was just 24 hours ago.
The source added: "This crash could not have come at a worse time for Hicks and Gillett, there is no question about that.
"Every bank and lending agency will be tightening its belt and RBS maybe more than most because they suffered big losses in yesterday's downturn.
"That means anyone seeking a major loan will have to prove to them that they have the necessary assets to secure it against and Gillett could have a hard time proving this is the case – and that's if he wants to prove it."
Tom Hicks recently promised to have financial restructuring – which would heap around £350m of debt onto the club – completed by the end of last week.
With that deadline now having passed, he is facing a race against time to get it done because the initial one-year loan the duo took out with the RBS to buy the club a year ago expires in a fortnight.
DIC is watching events unfold with great interest and, should refinancing not take place, is ready to bid for the club at the earliest possible opportunity.
Meanwhile, fans’ movement Reclaim The Kop is to ask supporters to boycott RBS and its products should the bank push ahead with the loan to Hicks and Gillett.
"I watched the Champions League quarter-finals and the way they crushed Arsenal. Only the greatest and the best can play such a match.
The Future is Red!
OK, let's clear a few points up here. I am not pro-G&H, far from it. I'm not even pro-DIC as I don't know enough about them other than they are ruthless businessmen and would do anything to get what they want.
Also, I am definitely not anti-Rafa Benitez.
All I am saying is that there are better ways of making your point rather than protesting like this in public. Only a week or two ago Hicks was condemned by many for "doing his dirty washing in public" and how it wasn't "the Liverpool Way". Well WTF are RTK doing?!
Finally, I am not blaming Rafa entirely for our poor recent results but what better way to paper over the cracks than to deflect the criticism through your mates in the media onto other people? I bet Mourinho wishes he'd done that now. And Jol. And especially Allardyce...
Believe me, no-one on this site is more passionate about our great club than me but sometimes you have to think for yourself and not just follow blindly like the rest of the sheep...
Good reasoned post.
I support Liverpool FC. I don't care who owns us, plays for us, manages us or cleans the ****ter. I just wanna see us win more!
Apologies if this has been discussed earlier in the thread - but I hope you'll understand that 3,000-odd posts is a lot to scour....
With the absolute assumption that anything would be better than the debacle being played out at the moment and that the Americans are probably not the right owners for this club, would anybody like to propose what the future holds with DIC? Could we be going over the same (rose-tinted) ground as before the U.S. group took over?
Seems to me that DIC taking over means:
1. funds for stadium = good
2. probable funds for players = good
3. acknowledgement of the clubs special position in Liverpool itself as well as in the wider sporting world = good
4. longer-term intentions....
I think #4 needs some consideration. Off course it's unlikely that anyone on here has any real insight into what DIC's plans would be but are there any prior Mahktoum(sp?) investments upon which we might gauge what a possible 5-10 year plan of theirs might look like? Are their horse-racing interests a valid comparison? Would we see DIC still involved beyond 10 years?
Should we be concerned?
Francis.
...."Any team that concedes as few goals as we concede is going to be tough to play against..." - Fernando Torres on Liverpool
And when I say 'play Gerrard on the left', I mean on the left
So today it seems DIC will only bid if the refiancing deal collapses!
Sounds like they are backing off if info like that is emerging, laying the ground so to speak, as if to say.....oh we we're only there incase the deal we'nt sour, we were'nt actively chasing a buy out of the Americano's.
Sounds like they are backing off if info like that is emerging, laying the ground so to speak, as if to say.....oh we we're only there incase the deal we'nt sour, we were'nt actively chasing a buy out of the Americano's.
Liverpool FC finance restructuring plan hits a snag, claim City sources
Jan 22 2008
CONTROVERSIAL plans by the owners of Liverpool FC to restructure their debt have hit a problem. City sources said today that the proposed £350m deal with the Royal Bank of Scotland could collapse, and DIC is waiting in the wings to make a move for the club should that happen.
Tom Hicks says the deal is on course, but speculation is growing about George Gillett's ability to secure the loan.
The source said: "There is no doubt that Hicks is ready to put up the money that the RBS has asked for. But the situation may not be the same with Gillett."
The situation is also clouded by the ongoing crisis in the US and Canadian stock markets.
Financial experts now believe a recession is almost inevitable.
With Hicks and Gillett having secured the initial loan to buy Liverpool against assets in American and Canada, their financial position is not as strong today as it was just 24 hours ago.
The source added: "This crash could not have come at a worse time for Hicks and Gillett, there is no question about that.
"Every bank and lending agency will be tightening its belt and RBS maybe more than most because they suffered big losses in yesterday's downturn.
"That means anyone seeking a major loan will have to prove to them that they have the necessary assets to secure it against and Gillett could have a hard time proving this is the case – and that's if he wants to prove it."
Tom Hicks recently promised to have financial restructuring – which would heap around £350m of debt onto the club – completed by the end of last week.
With that deadline now having passed, he is facing a race against time to get it done because the initial one-year loan the duo took out with the RBS to buy the club a year ago expires in a fortnight. DIC is watching events unfold with great interest and, should refinancing not take place, is ready to bid for the club at the earliest possible opportunity.
Meanwhile, fans’ movement Reclaim The Kop is to ask supporters to boycott RBS and its products should the bank push ahead with the loan to Hicks and Gillett.
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