Dubai International to make bid for Liverpool FC

[blacky]

So if and when they takeover, they pay for the club and stadium with debts, just like the Yanks have, what will your response be?

Both owners have a history of declaring bankruptcy, hicks has a history of poorly running sports franchises, hicks has a history of assett stripping his investments, hicks has a history of promising to build stadiums and defaulting. I think both have bitten off more than they can chew here. Look at DIC's portfolio and their business model. They know how to run a business professionally.

[Guest]

The way I see it there are a couple of issues:

1) The way the Yanks undermined Rafa publically (Klinnsman) and professionally(transfer funds) recently. That's a major cock up IMO.

2) Resources: The Yanks are doing the best they can but they simply don't ahve the resources to compete. In this respect they are the same as Moores, the only difference is that there are 2 Yanks and only 1 Davey Moores. DIC do have the resources, if times are tough DIC can afford to let the manager dip into the transfer market, the Yanks don't have this option.

At last some common sense.

Is it too difficult for some to understand these basic 'facts' ?

The board sought out investment to up us one level and the basic requirements were:

1) To provide funds to build our stadium (It has taken them more than a year to finalize their plans and still there's no shovel in the ground)
2) Provide transfer funds to compete in the short term (We've been outspent by Sunderland of all clubs this season - Net transfer outlay approx 20m pounds ... same as in the Moores years).

[dww]

At last some common sense.

Is it too difficult for some to understand these basic 'facts' ?

The board sought out investment to up us one level and the basic requirements were:

1) To provide funds to build our stadium (It has taken them more than a year to finalize their plans and still there's no shovel in the ground)
2) Provide transfer funds to compete in the short term (We've been outspent by Sunderland of all clubs this season - Net transfer outlay approx 20m pounds ... same as in the Moores years).

We spent in the region of the same money as United and more than Chelsea and Arsenal so I think there is an aspect that people pick out the facts (such as we have any) that suit their argument (on both sides). The nett transfer argument is always a tricky one as no agents fees, signing on fees, wage contributions etc are ever taken into account.

I'm not happy about the way the Americans have gone about their business and some of Hicks business history is very worrying. That said he has also made a great deal of money over the years as well.

As regards to the stadium they took charge at an awkward time with the rise in price of materials and the credit crunch. This along with the redesign of a restrictive and ill thought through original plan would probably have led to a delay whoever had been in charge.

There are serious questions to be asked about how they will make sustainable investment in the medium to long term. I actually think the recent deal will mean that for the next year to eighteen months we will be okay. After that a lot will depend on how well the Americans have improved our revenue streams and what deal they can do for the stadium financing (as well as what success Rafa or any future manager achieves on the pitch).

We are on a dangerous course but unlike some I don't see us as sunk or inevitably to sink at this point. I'm also not sure that without seeing the actual accounts and plans there are that many 'basic' facts available to people.

G&H are no ones idea of ideal owners but currently they are our owners and as fans I suspect we have very limited powers to affect that without negatively impacting on the team.

[1 True Red]

I think both have bitten off more than they can chew here.

Well put

[Robster007]

What's that?

Not believing the hype, waiting and seeing before I judge the yanks on their stewardship of the club? You're creating your own anti-hype though. You're an attention seeking whore the same as others I could mention.

They made a cunt of their relationship with Rafa, with the Klinsmann nonsense, but low and behold they've let him sign Sktrel with Mascherano to follow, or are you going to whinge about net spend now? That's another fallacy.

A) I thought your policy was to wait and see. That's a bit presumptuous, surely?
B) I haven't whinged about anything mate. You seem to be the one doing the whinging. Constantly.
C) That's YOUR opinion.

Re the financing, am I supposed to believe what I read on here that they won't be able to afford to build the stadium, afford players, etc because loads of people say so?

No-one's suggesting taking anything as gospel, but when lots of people tend to be of the same opinion, and lots of those people have previous experience on the subject, I tend to start listening. I don't tend to flame people for having a different opinion though.

So yes I'm a ****ing hypocrite for calling others sheep.

[jrd7]

We spent in the region of the same money as United and more than Chelsea and Arsenal so I think there is an aspect that people pick out the facts (such as we have any) that suit their argument (on both sides). The nett transfer argument is always a tricky one as no agents fees, signing on fees, wage contributions etc are ever taken into account.

I'm not happy about the way the Americans have gone about their business and some of Hicks business history is very worrying. That said he has also made a great deal of money over the years as well.

As regards to the stadium they took charge at an awkward time with the rise in price of materials and the credit crunch. This along with the redesign of a restrictive and ill thought through original plan would probably have led to a delay whoever had been in charge.

There are serious questions to be asked about how they will make sustainable investment in the medium to long term. I actually think the recent deal will mean that for the next year to eighteen months we will be okay. After that a lot will depend on how well the Americans have improved our revenue streams and what deal they can do for the stadium financing (as well as what success Rafa or any future manager achieves on the pitch).

We are on a dangerous course but unlike some I don't see us as sunk or inevitably to sink at this point. I'm also not sure that without seeing the actual accounts and plans there are that many 'basic' facts available to people.

G&H are no ones idea of ideal owners but currently they are our owners and as fans I suspect we have very limited powers to affect that without negatively impacting on the team.

Maybe someone caught him out with a neutral question?

Keep your head in the sand - this was about progressing. DIC would also have agreed not to put the club purchasing debt us. It boils down to whether you believe they would also have screwed us, and you can say what you want about Dubai, muslims and the middle east (i'm an anti-theist so all religious ****ers do my noggin in), but I believe they would have paid for the club, we pay for the stadium, they help out. Deal

All those G&H wait and see apologists have now got the cheek to run their mouths off about DIC and how they would screw us over - for so long you guys buried your head in the sand and now you're almost fighting the yanks corner for them.

You should be ashamed and embarrassed - we need to fight to get these cunts out of our club - then take it from there.

Don't tarr DIC with the same brush as these cunts, though. Honour as businessmen is something they take very seriously.

[jrd7]

whether or not thay can afford it is irrelevant - they ****ing lied about how they would do it time and time again.

It was crucial to Moores to ensure this club remained debt free for the stadium - that was one of his issues. Now you only have to read my views on moores to know I think he let us down.

But whatever has happened - it's not how he saw our finances being ****ed over.

Apologists move the goal posts

[dww]

Maybe someone caught him out with a neutral question?

Keep your head in the sand - this was about progressing. DIC would also have agreed not to put the club purchasing debt us. It boils down to whether you believe they would also have screwed us, and you can say what you want about Dubai, muslims and the middle east (i'm an anti-theist so all religious ****ers do my noggin in), but I believe they would have paid for the club, we pay for the stadium, they help out. Deal

All those G&H wait and see apologists have now got the cheek to run their mouths off about DIC and how they would screw us over - for so long you guys buried your head in the sand and now you're almost fighting the yanks corner for them.

You should be ashamed and embarrassed - we need to fight to get these cunts out of our club - then take it from there.

Don't tarr DIC with the same brush as these cunts, though. Honour as businessmen is something they take very seriously.

Ashamed/embarassed that I disagree with you? I don't even completely disagree with you. But I remain unconvinced that G&H are the devil incarnate.

I have no idea what DIC would do other that try to make a profit to be honest and have tried not to say too much about them other than that. One way or another anyone buying us would have looked to get the purchase costs back. It is quite possible that DIC could do this more efficiently due to their greater resources but no one can say that they would.

[Revo]

parry carried out orders moores is the real villian. i do not understand all the sympathy for david moores. he does not deserve a free pass, cos in the end the cunt took the money. **** YOU DAVID MOORES YOU SILVER SPOON GOB****E. YOU SOLD THIS CLUB DOWN THE DRAIN.

[Fowler_God]

He has always tried to go against the grain and argue at the opposite end of the majority scale (if enough people said the sun was yellow, he would say otherwise)

[StevieG08]

parry carried out orders moores is the real villian. i do not understand all the sympathy for david moores. he does not deserve a free pass, cos in the end the cunt took the money. **** YOU DAVID MOORES YOU SILVER SPOON GOB****E. YOU SOLD THIS CLUB DOWN THE DRAIN.

Year upon ****ing year of piss poor decisions led to him making the best one of all. Thanks for **** all!

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

He has always tried to go against the grain and argue at the opposite end of the majority scale (if enough people said the sun was yellow, he would say otherwise)

Have I?

Or am I just giving my own opinion?

Does it need to be anything more?

[Robster007]

Have I?

Or am I just giving my own opinion?

Does it need to be anything more?

Look mate, if you were just giving your opinion, there wouldn't be a problem. It's the way you flame others for giving their opinion that offends.

[Dhav]

parry carried out orders moores is the real villian. i do not understand all the sympathy for david moores. he does not deserve a free pass, cos in the end the cunt took the money. **** YOU DAVID MOORES YOU SILVER SPOON GOB****E. YOU SOLD THIS CLUB DOWN THE DRAIN.

I guess because he's behind the scenes and never talks, we get the impression that Moores doesn't have an opinion, that Parry is the mouthpiece and the one who is advising him. May be that's wrong and naive, perhaps it is more Moores' ****-up than Parry's.

The more I think about it, the more I believe they felt that staying on after the takeover would allow them to keep the Americans in check and ensure they would toe the Liverpool line, which was naive in the extreme. It simply has not turned out that way, and I sincerely hope these two are working furiously behind the scenes to ensure their **** up is rectified.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Creating my own anti-hype? Is that what having an opinion, which goes against the majority, is considered as these days? Fine.

You can call me an attention seeking tit if you like, though I see myself as being honest and posting what I believe to be true. Now I may end up being wrong, and I'll accept this readily and admit it, but as of now I see no reason, or evidence for joining in this mass hysteria. If you and others don't like me questioning your opinions/positions on certain matters, then tough, either that or put me on ignore user. Easy.

I agree I don't tend to flame people either for having a different opinion, but when they refuse to provide rational evidence to back up their position, example: "No interest getting into a prove this and prove that debate". So why is this person posting then?