Dubai International to make bid for Liverpool FC

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

certain parties have been given a set of questions to answer. its only fair to give a week or so to respond. im not saying anything else. people please stop filling my pm box with requests.

The dressing room stuff wouldn't surprize me. We've all been able to see that something's just not right with our recent performances.

[disco]

Mate, that's ridiculous. If there is a shortfall on the interest, do you think (knowing what hicks has done to dallas and corinthians) that they are willingly going to stump up for that, and a £30million war chest every year till the stadium is done? ****ing cloud-bollocks-cuckoo-land some of you guys are living in.

Hicks drives up the prices then tells the fans that he'll sign better players when they start spending more. He's already done it before and has started to do it again. **** me lads, it's what this cunt does.

Heads out of arses time lads

I didn't say I believed he would, fact is they'll probably refinance to include the interest if the club can't afford it

However, the article clearly says that the owners will cover it, but media and the majority of this site ignored that bit

[kurtangle01]

I didn't say I believed he would, fact is they'll probably refinance to include the interest if the club can't afford it

However, the article clearly says that the owners will cover it, but media and the majority of this site ignored that bit

No one's disputing that they'll 'service it'. It's how they choose to service it that's the problem.

Need £17m asap for the interest? Lets sell Reina and Alonso...

[disco]

They won't call on their personal funds. I am almost certain of it.

Moores and Parry have allowed the club to be bent over and anally raped by these two ****s. Can anyone ever remember a time when the club was in such turmoil?

I guess time will tell.

If we keep doing reasonably well we've got nought to worry about. Things get interesting if we don't make the CL, particularly if it's this year! It's not that it's likely to cause any significant problems in the grand scheme of things, but how H&G deal with such a situation is absolutely critical to having even a glimmer of hope of regaining fans' trust.

[dww]

I didn't say I believed he would, fact is they'll probably refinance to include the interest if the club can't afford it

However, the article clearly says that the owners will cover it, but media and the majority of this site ignored that bit

I have to say though that I think you have to take Dhavlos's position re: the reliability of G&H's PR pronouncements.

I'm beginning to come to some gloomy conclusions myself. In that I think that the debt might be manageable (at least this first package) but the worry is that this would require a unity of management which we don't appear to have. Long term this could build to be a problem and especially given Hick's record you would think he would be too stubborn to back down.

[disco]

No one's disputing that they'll 'service it'. It's how they choose to service it that's the problem.

Need £17m asap for the interest? Lets sell Reina and Alonso...

That would be ****ing mental, no way would it happen.... probably.

My test for all this is "If they had put £350m cash into this club, what would we expect?" - good years, they take a profit (probably more than interest payment), bad years they get **** all. They wouldn't sell a player to pay themselves. The grey area is how transfer funds are affected.

In other words, the financing doesn't bother me - I understand it's a far more efficient use of capital - it's more the 'etiquette' of the financing : what will they do in certain situations.

We simply don't know the answer to this, but perhaps someone will ask the question

[disco]

I have to say though that I think you have to take Dhavlos's position re: the reliability of G&H's PR pronouncements.

I'm beginning to come to some gloomy conclusions myself. In that I think that the debt might be manageable (at least this first package) but the worry is that this would require a unity of management which we don't appear to have. Long term this could build to be a problem and especially given Hick's record you would think he would be too stubborn to back down.

That's a fair point mate, but a different subject almost. I guess we have to await Revo's revelations...

I understand people's positions and lack of trust, I just personally find it frustrating and amazing (in equal measures) at some of the things people say in the face of the available facts.

[Alpha]

I said this 13.5 hours ago. They made a statement, and I've seen 3 different articles since reporting something completely different

They could have phrased it even more definitively though to prevent the press getting people even more (over)-excited.

As you highlighted earlier, it is seriously sloppy PR.

At a time when the fans really need to be spoken to in a language we understand, we are fed business jargon that does the exact opposite of winning back our trust.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who takes offence at our club being considered an asset in somebody's portfolio. When goodwill is already at an all-time low, the tone of the statement alone practically invites assertions and accusations of skullduggery.

In fact, given the sensitivity of the subject, I am trying to think of an alternative agenda for which this could actually be good PR because otherwise, it is too bad to believe, isn't it?

[disco]

As you highlighted earlier, it is seriously sloppy PR.

At a time when the fans really need to be spoken to in a language we understand, we are fed business jargon that does the exact opposite of winning back our trust.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who takes offence at our club being considered an asset in somebody's portfolio. When goodwill is already at an all-time low, the tone of the statement alone practically invites assertions and accusations of skullduggery.

In fact, given the sensitivity of the subject, I am trying to think of an alternative agenda for which this could actually be good PR because otherwise, it is too bad to believe, isn't it?

Completely agree.

Although, you could possibly argue that they've just been naive with the press. Had the rest of the article been a fair reflection, then may be, just may be, the fans would have taken it as a positive as it's intended.

(Whether they believe it is of course a different matter )

[jrd7]

I have to say though that I think you have to take Dhavlos's position re: the reliability of G&H's PR pronouncements.

I'm beginning to come to some gloomy conclusions myself. In that I think that the debt might be manageable (at least this first package) but the worry is that this would require a unity of management which we don't appear to have. Long term this could build to be a problem and especially given Hick's record you would think he would be too stubborn to back down.

Come on dww, come on mate, we've had some highs and lows over the last 24 hours but the yankee emperors aren't wearing garments of silk, they're as ****ing naked as the day they were born.

****ing cunting scheisters.

Hicks pays for debt with club assets and his history proves this. Don't be afraid - be very ****ing afraid. We all need to unite against these cunts as one voice, demand answers or begin a process of boycotts, start with merchandise, sponsors, and go from there till we squeeze these cunts so badly, nobody would ever **** with us again.

I'd rather we end up in the championship to get back to new ownership and zero debt, than we end up mid-table paying for these cunts to banquet on our proud name and history.

[Dhav]

I have to say though that I think you have to take Dhavlos's position re: the reliability of G&H's PR pronouncements.

I'm beginning to come to some gloomy conclusions myself. In that I think that the debt might be manageable (at least this first package) but the worry is that this would require a unity of management which we don't appear to have. Long term this could build to be a problem and especially given Hick's record you would think he would be too stubborn to back down.

The club seems to be in a worse state than we imagined. Gillett's has gone into hiding and there seem to be clear indications that there is friction between owners, and that there has been a complete breakdown in the relationship between the owners and the manager. Very worrying times.

That would be ****ing mental, no way would it happen.... probably.

My test for all this is "If they had put £350m cash into this club, what would we expect?" - good years, they take a profit (probably more than interest payment), bad years they get **** all. They wouldn't sell a player to pay themselves. The grey area is how transfer funds are affected.

In other words, the financing doesn't bother me - I understand it's a far more efficient use of capital - it's more the 'etiquette' of the financing : what will they do in certain situations.

We simply don't know the answer to this, but perhaps we'll ask the question

Disco, in Kurt's scenario above do you think it is more likely they'd use personal funds to make debt/interest re-payments that the club can't afford or sell assets? I think you previously said they'd probably take out more loans. Does that not concern you? I'd be extremely worried if that was the case. We're then getting in to Leeds territory, loans upon loans upon loans, re-finance upon re-finance and we're just making interest paymetns every year and the capital outstanding just grows instead of decreasing.

[Dhav]

Disco, I know where your position on the finances, but where do you stand on the whole Klinsmann thing and how they have treated/dealt with Rafa?

[jrd7]

Completely agree.

Although, you could possibly argue that they've just been naive with the press. Had the rest of the article been a fair reflection, then may be, just may be, the fans would have taken it as a positive as it's intended.

(Whether they believe it is of course a different matter )

Naive if Hicks didn't have previous in this area. Your arguments for waiting and seeing are flawed. Go and read what he's done to his home club franchise, not from the press with an angle (ironically the media pander in that god forsaken country.s.a, to the rich and the wealthy), but from people like you, that support and care about the team they've grown up with.

****in hell mate, your like a fiddler (not in the Wenger sense) on the Titanic. Keep playing lads.....................it's just a leak.............just a bit of surface water........it's fine..............yes, it is supposed to sink..................Right, I think a waltz should do it.....

[disco]

We're all pissing in the wind without details of the business plans, revenue projections etc., but my instinct from previous accounts PLUS new TV deal, apparent increase in merchandise sales, new sponsorship and stadium naming rights etc. suggest that it stacks up with some to spare - that's BEFORE the stadium is built and we're earning 1-1.5m a GAME extra.

As I mentioned in my post about Leeds - they overspent for several years BEFORE the ridiculous loans (at far higher interest rates). The first season they failed to qualify for the CL they made a £100m loss

We're not in that situation, nor are we likely to be.

[Alpha]

Although, you could possibly argue that they've just been naive with the press.

Didn't the statement come directly from Hicks' PR man though?

My best guess is they figured that after recent events, there was no spin that would take impact out of the admission that, against assurances to the contrary, they had refinanced debt against the club.

In this case, honesty was the best policy.