Dubai International to make bid for Liverpool FC

[Johnny]

Yes but do you honestly believe they would do that. In your wildest dreams can you see G&H putting in their own cash if we don't make enough cash. Do you seriously think they would let Rafa or whoever's boss by then spend money on players knowing it meant they would have to meet the shortfall themselves.

Do you seriously think given the choice of selling players to raise the shortfall or paying it themselves they would choose the latter.

There is absolutely zero chance of that happening. They are here to make cash not win trophies and dipping into their own funds to meet interest payments is not on their agenda in any way shape or form.

I'm truely baffled as to how anyone could think any differently on this issue.

Sorry Bob but selling players from a team that needs to Qualify for the CL which will finance half the interset payments per season would seriously damage their investment.winning trophies in europe equals financial reward,it`s why teams put such effort in not just the glory of winning.we survived for the last tem yrs because we finished in the top 4 and won trophies.

[Dhav]

I know that some of you think you have info of value that is not being shared. What can I say? I don't have it. I guess I'm not in the Goldclub

I think Moores has a lot to answer for but fair enough.

The DIC speculation is just that. No one really knows what has been on the table. Let's say they offered 350. Hicks thinks that they are looking at a 300mill£ upside in 5 years time - why sell? Seriously, why? I wouldn't. Debt? You never use cash for something like this because whatever cash you might have can get a much much better return elsewhere. Being bankrolled is the only thing that makes sense. I think we can agree on that.

Putting up assets for a 245mill£ loan has no value? They seem to think that it has no value.

The point is that this missing stadium has made us attractive to sharks like G&H. The real value is in starting that stadium soon. That's the major concern. I have been harping on about that stadium since the Kraptalk days.

They will have to make funds available for Mascher and the summer window. And I'm sure they will. It's simply a must and it makes good business sense when it comes to protecting their investment.

They will be forced to bring cash later to protect their investment. If they can't they will be forced to sell in which case they might as well sell now.

To cover that spending on a sustained basis they will need to take out more loans and that just adds to the interest payments. That is, if they intend to spend anything in the market

[carlton]

Any post that is not vehemetly Anti-Hicks is not welcome in this thread,leave the doomongers to post in this thread and it will die a fast death.I suggest the posters that don`t think we ****ed leave this abomonation of a thread.

I`d imagine if there is a split in the dressing room it`s because some of the team/backroom don`t share the doom and gloom feeling most of the fans have.


This thread is only splitting this forum because nobody knows Jack ****.90 posters speculating that we are in trouble against 6 posters who speculate that it should work out OK.

I really dont know if things will work out but am trying to look at things without emotion. I do not support the Yanks and want them out asap but my point of difference is that I cannot believe that as businessmen that they will trash their asset and damamge the 'brand' to the extent that the Administrators will get called in or that mid table mediocrity awaits us. The way we are playing at the moment it a possibility anyway and the Yanks cannot be blamed for that can they? Most of us think the squad was good enough to challenge this season especially in those heady feel good times after the Derby 6-0 win.

Another thing most of us say is that we are only 2-3 quality players away from a title, well Rafa might have that sort of money available this summer, I dont care if its borrowed as long as its available.

The LFC situation is not like Leeds for a range of reasons not least the 225 million of guarantees provided and the increased income from TV money which on its own covers most of the reported interest bill. They might even raise ticket prices if they have to. Would you guys who go to the games pay more if it was spent on players?

This is not an apology for H & G, they have proven themselves unworthyto own our great club, they have lied and betrayed us, but people who are saying we are going to be bankrupt before we know it and playing conference football before too long are just wrong in my opinion.

Anyway the things that unite us as LFC supporters will always be stronger than the things that divide us.

[Johnny]

How do they shaft themselves?

They will put up ticket prices, sell players and give the manager sweet fa to spend. If that means missing out on CL footy they will take that hit rather than spend their own cash.

They know that no matter how we do on the pitch Anfield will be full, the TV cash still keeps rolling in. Sure losing the CL money would be a blow but not as much of a blow as paying millions from their own pocket. plus they know that even if players aren't sold and the manager is given funds to spend, this guarentees nothing. they could pay the shortfall themselves, not sell players, give Rafa money to spend and still not make CL footy. What then for G&H?

Theres not a snowballs chance in hell of themletting that happen.

if we miss out on CL footy in the next 5 yrs it will be the Managers fault not the owners..we have enough long term prospects in the team for atleast five yrs and should be challenging for the PL this yr.we`re about to sign Mascher and have a few youth players coming through.added to this another few new players we should challenge for the pl every yr.

[CAD]

To cover that spending on a sustained basis they will need to take out more loans and that just adds to the interest payments. That is, if they intend to spend anything in the market

If they are aiming for a 1 billion upside they will have to keep us competitive. If they can't keep us in the top they will lose money when they exit.

Not to spend in the market would probably end up costing them significantly more when they exit compared to spending.

That's how I see it.

Goodnight Dhavlos

[Dhav]

Couldn't agree more mate.
There's absolutely no evidence from G&H's operations in the US with their sports 'franchises' that they would put their own cash in to meet the interest payments. There's more chance of getting Ronaldo & Rooney on a Bosman in the summer.

Absolutely mate. They have until now not put a penny in, it seems to have been their intention all along. Not sure why anyone would think they will at any point in the future. We know that sporting success is much lower on their agenda than maximising profits. They would sell a top player in an instant if they didnt think it would jeopardise our chances of a top 4 finish.

I heard some journo (may be Balague or Marcotti) say the other day that one of the attractions of the club was the success that Rafa had acheived on spending so little money, they thought they had a genius in charge who could get them into "football's superbowl" without them having to spend a penny. It's beginning to sound extremely plausible, except they've now lost faith in Rafa, at funnily enough the precise time he started asking for transfer funds

[Darth Marty]

Dont really want to get involved in this anymore but 1 point to Cad.
How cant you grasp the fact that to "protect their investment" as you put it they dont have to make us champions, merely keep us in the premiership. Thats it, thats all the lying cheating did i say lying cunts have to do. Now thats fine if you want that to happen to us, but me, no thanks, get the cunts out and see what real owners, ones with pride and a sense of honour get us. That is all.

[Dhav]

If they are aiming for a 1 billion upside they will have to keep us competitive. If they can't keep us in the top they will lose money when they exit.

Not to spend in the market would probably end up costing them significantly more when they exit compared to spending.

That's how I see it.

Goodnight Dhavlos

But is that how they see it? I wonder.

Good night mate

[jrd7]

Sorry Bob but selling players from a team that needs to Qualify for the CL which will finance half the interset payments per season would seriously damage their investment.winning trophies in europe equals financial reward,it`s why teams put such effort in not just the glory of winning.we survived for the last tem yrs because we finished in the top 4 and won trophies.

But the CL money is a myth anyway.

Say on average we make £20mill from it then in order to stay there or improve you need better players of say on average £20mill a season, plus you also get higher salaries and agents fee's for good measure.

They'd be better off without CL £20 million and a cheaper payroll picking up the extra prem league money and building the stadium.

[AFII]

Kop Holdings are owned by LFC and LFC is owned by G&H.

[AFII]

But the CL money is a myth anyway.

Say on average we make £20mill from it then in order to stay there or improve you need better players of say on average £20mill a season, plus you also get higher salaries and agents fee's for good measure.

They'd be better off without CL £20 million and a cheaper payroll picking up the extra prem league money and building the stadium.

Excellent post.

[Dhav]

Kop Holdings are owned by LFC and LFC is owned by G&H.

It's the other way around mate, or are you trying to make a point that is lost on me at this late hour?

[Johnny]

Absolutely mate. They have until now not put a penny in, it seems to have been their intention all along. Not sure why anyone would think they will at any point in the future. We know that sporting success is much lower on their agenda than maximising profits. They would sell a top player in an instant if they didnt think it would jeopardise our chances of a top 4 finish.

I heard some journo (may be Balague or Marcotti) say the other day that one of the attractions of the club was the success that Rafa had acheived on spending so little money, they thought they had a genius in charge who could get them into "football's superbowl" without them having to spend a penny. It's beginning to sound extremely plausible, except they've now lost faith in Rafa, at funnily enough the precise time he started asking for transfer funds

A spokesman from Financial Dynamics, the City PR company which represents Hicks, said: "The holding company debt is supported by the assets it acquired and should there ever be any shortfall in cash flow at the club or anywhere else in Kop in any given year, Kop's ownership, under the terms of the financing package, is prepared to fund whatever is required.

"The debt is being handled exactly as it is handled at the vast majority of professional sports teams."

[AFII]

It's the other way around mate, or are you trying to make a point that is lost on me at this late hour?

Sorry, you are right I'm a little bit tired and got them mixed up.

[Dhav]

What is your point Johnny? That they are willing to spend in the transfer market? Very reassuring, especially as the loans they will take out to cover it will plunder us further into an already huge debt