Dubai International to make bid for Liverpool FC

[El Jefecito]

Please can somebody who knows better than me convince me that this placing the debt against Kop Football Ltd rather than the club is anything other than a sleight-of-hand?

As it is the club's finances that must cover Kop Football Ltd's repayments, then it must be the club's assets that are at risk if Kop Football Ltd were to default?

Liverpool FC will pay dividends to Kop Holdings to pay off the debt. HOWEVER, the Kop Holdings debt is not secured against our assets. So if we hit hard times most of the risk is on G&H.

[redlancer]

Even without major investment, we'll still have a more than decent team, one capable of CL qualification. The club wouldn't be run into the ground but we won't be challenging for any championships.

2 years ago i'd agree on that but you have City with backing, Villa have backing, Spurs are better than thier position.
Portsmouth have backing.

[sonsofthedesert]

Even without major investment, we'll still have a more than decent team, one capable of CL qualification. The club wouldn't be run into the ground but we won't be challenging for any championships.

I think going forward we will need improvement to achieve that. Think of the benefits to them though if LFC win the CL or PL, all those new fans in asia to rip off. Why do you think utd make so much money - this is their plan and can only happen if we win things and sort out Merchandising and the stadium. Another thought is if they did that and stayed around for 25 years they could make the equivelent of £1bn in todays money, they will have thought about that trust me. The club would have paid for itself by then so would mean massive profits.

[El Jefecito]

How do we influence the owners?

Without hitting them in the pocket lomg ter, you can't. They do exactly as they please with LFC and we can like it or lump it

Only time will tell for sure but I think RTK have done a decent job. I don't see the Klinsmann thing happening again. I think they also know the LFC way now as well. Small steps but journeys of a million miles etc etc

[Sir Bob]

Dissagree on that - me i'd go week in week out whatever div we're in but a lot won't -
70000 is a lot of seats to fill when some of the lesser games arn't sold out.

In fact would we sell 70000 for this Sat, would we off sold 70k for Luton infact would we of sold less? 70k would get rid of a lot of loyalty requiremnet and if we are playing crap and mid table won't take long for fans to watch it on the tele

A lot of our support is out of town, that';s some commitment to travel from the south coast - fly from Europe to sit in a 70000 seater stadium to watch crap and fight for mid table.

I think we'd sell out 70,000 seats for the vast majority of games. For a start there's god knows how many thousands waiting for a season ticket.

As for cup games, they'd tie them in to the season ticket price as the mancs have done. Christ the mancs were sold out because of this for Cov in the Carling cup.

Also look at Newcastle, 50,000 every home game, have won jack **** since 1969

[copper]

somewhere in this thread,**** knows where, i read a post that might have been posted on another site that said something about how there would be a few more ups and downs before we reach an end to all this.
i dont think this is over yet.

Probably you are thinking of cowtownred from RAWK. He's been saying that for a while now. Here's his most recent post.

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Re: A helpful suggestion.

I've never built anyone's hopes up, I've only told what I know from someone at the heart of all the plotting/discussions going on for 2 months.

I told you more than a week ago that the refinance deal was agreed. Why are you pissed at me tonight cos ''Mihir Bose'' confirms this to be the case?

At the time I was pissed off too... cos I (being no financier) was certain this put the Americans in a better position. I was told that this was not necessarily true... and I passed that info on.

I told you that my contact, the Club officials and DIC were planning a move to buy. They are. They STILL are. My contact has been in talks for the better part of a week, virtually round the clock.

I told you that No-ONE, NOT ANYBODY, can tell how these things will end up. I warned you to expect a very fractious few days. We are posting in the thread now. I have NO IDEA what the outcome of the talks will be. Either DIC or Mr Hicks will end up owning the club. If its Hicks, so be it, I will be out too. So, as I told you before, will Benitez.

But if so, it was NOT MY FAULT. Nor indeed due to any lack of effort on the part of DIC, my contact, or David Moores.

[El Jefecito]

I think going forward we will need improvement to achieve that. Think of the benefits to them though if LFC win the CL or PL, all those new fans in asia to rip off. Why do you think utd make so much money - this is their plan and can only happen if we win things and sort out Merchandising and the stadium. Another thought is if they did that and stayed around for 25 years they could make the equivelent of £1bn in todays money, they will have thought about that trust me. The club would have paid for itself by then so would mean massive profits.

How else do you make money out of the Asian market because I remember seeing something a year or so ago which said Manure only made 330K from overseas merchandising.

[sonsofthedesert]

I think we'd sell out 70,000 seats for the vast majority of games. For a start there's god knows how many thousands waiting for a season ticket.

As for cup games, they'd tie them in to the season ticket price as the mancs have done. Christ the mancs were sold out because of this for Cov in the Carling cup.

Also look at Newcastle, 50,000 every home game, have won jack **** since 1969

Would that be the newcastle that only sold out the stoke game after the fans heard that day that KK was going to be their manager so they all lined up outside buying a ticket for that night. Without that appointment that day it would not have been sold out. A lot is written about the geordies and not all of it is true.

[Sir Bob]

I think going forward we will need improvement to achieve that. Think of the benefits to them though if LFC win the CL or PL, all those new fans in asia to rip off. Why do you think utd make so much money - this is their plan and can only happen if we win things and sort out Merchandising and the stadium. Another thought is if they did that and stayed around for 25 years they could make the equivelent of £1bn in todays money, they will have thought about that trust me. The club would have paid for itself by then so would mean massive profits.

Once the stadium is built there would be more funds for players but until then it'll be a case of buy before you sell, young players and Bosmans. They will aim to keep us in the top 4 but with spending as little as possible. Then they'll sell up to the highest bidder, when the stadiums built.

[sonsofthedesert]

How else do you make money out of the Asian market because I remember seeing something a year or so ago which said Manure only made 330K from overseas merchandising.

Was only making point and used them. Simply put if utd were mid table they would not be making anywhere near the profit they are doing now.

[Alpha]

Liverpool FC will pay dividends to Kop Holdings to pay off the debt. HOWEVER, the Kop Holdings debt is not secured against our assets. So if we hit hard times most of the risk is on G&H.

And if the risk is on G&H, what is to stop them from, I don't know, liquidising an asset such as Gerrard to pay the bill?

[Sir Bob]

Would that be the newcastle that only sold out the stoke game after the fans heard that day that KK was going to be their manager so they all lined up outside buying a ticket for that night. Without that appointment that day it would not have been sold out. A lot is written about the geordies and not all of it is true.

they sell out for every league game. Now if a club thats won nothing since 1969 can do that i'm sure we can sell the thick end of 70,000 most weeks.

[AFII]

Either DIC or Mr Hicks will end up owning the club. If its Hicks, so be it, I will be out too. So, as I told you before, will Benitez.

So Gillett will sell to Hicks or DIC.

[Sir Bob]

And if the risk is on G&H, what is to stop them from, I don't know, liquidising an asset such as Gerrard to pay the bill?

Thats exactly what they'll do. If the interest payments can't be met, players will be sold, a la Leeds Utd.

[sonsofthedesert]

Once the stadium is built there would be more funds for players but until then it'll be a case of buy before you sell, young players and Bosmans. They will aim to keep us in the top 4 but with spending as little as possible. Then they'll sell up to the highest bidder, when the stadiums built.

That will be why they have borrowed an extra £40m towards future players, the club need the money to keep going. The £300m loan to be taken out to build the stadium that they already have £65m towards will have some money included for working capital. We will not be spending big but some will happen.(I hope)