Rafa's Last Season?

[Pass-move]

Get Roy Keane in.

[blacky]

Get Roy Keane in.

[Fierce]

I think you'll find that the vast majority of people with whom you disagree think the same thing as The Glove, i.e. they support Rafa as manager because there are clear signs of improvement in whole set up of the playing side of the club, the first team squad and, crucially, the league results of the first team.

I really urge you to bear this in mind when stating your opinion about Rafa and arguing with others on here.

Top bombing

Sammy Lee, speaking from a position of experience, seems to think Rafa is pretty good at what he does...

Slight understatement?!

And having worked under Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish in the eighties, Lee is well qualified to assess the merits of the man currently in charge at Anfield.

"I've been fortunate to have worked with some of the best and Rafa is one of them, if not the best. I think he will prove to be the best of all of them," he said.

"I don't want to put any pressure on him but he’s fantastic and a terrific man to work with.

"He has the same principles this club has always had. All the managers have their own qualities and principles and it's been a joy for me to work with them all."

[rage]

I think you'll find that the vast majority of people with whom you disagree think the same thing as The Glove, i.e. they support Rafa as manager because there are clear signs of improvement in whole set up of the playing side of the club, the first team squad and, crucially, the league results of the first team.

I really urge you to bear this in mind when stating your opinion about Rafa and arguing with others on here.

i support rafa as manager, but i don't support him regardless. please bear this in mind neil - i have my own mind and will not follow anyone blindly.

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i support rafa as manager, but i don't support him regardless. please bear this in mind neil - i have my own mind and will not follow anyone blindly.

support him how? you want him sacked!

[Neil Young]

i support rafa as manager, but i don't support him regardless. please bear this in mind neil - i have my own mind and will not follow anyone blindly.

Duh, my point was that no-one (or virtually no-one) here follows him blindly. Just because they/we don't make the same judgement as you about him doesn't mean they're/we're blind.

[rage]

support him how? you want him sacked!

its motivational.

look how he's improved after the stories of klinnsman emerged.

[rage]

Duh, my point was that no-one (or virtually no-one) here follows him blindly. Just because they/we don't make the same judgement as you about him doesn't mean they're/we're blind.

indeed

[Clapper]

so now i want rafa out rather than out no matter what.

do you know what i'm having for breakfast today seeing as though u appear to be able to read my mind regardless of what i've actually said?

ferguson kept his job because he won the fa cup. were u even old enough to remember that time as you think we wouldn't even dream of being top of the league before rafa came?

Yes, but it was not considered a success from the beginning of the season. If it was, then there would have been no talk of sacking him, when he was still in the cup.

I can also twist your words and say, that you have said before, we will never win the league under Rafa and you want him sacked if we don't, so there you go.
I was more than old enough to be around in the 80's and I even know family who knows former United players, so I guess their knowledge about that time is bigger than yours.

[red g]

its motivational.

look how he's improved after the stories of klinnsman emerged.

[rage]

Yes, but it was not considered a success from the beginning of the season. If it was, then there would have been no talk of sacking him, when he was still in the cup.

I can also twist your words and say, that you have said before, we will never win the league under Rafa and you want him sacked if we don't, so there you go.
I was more than old enough to be around in the 80's and I even know family who knows former United players, so I guess their knowledge about that time is bigger than yours.

you can twist my words all you want, i meanwhile can quote u direct from this thread, never have dreamed about being top of the league hey before rafa came along.

[MrMichael]

Damn, I thought I declared an armistice on this topic pages ago?

[Greebo]

Damn, I thought I declared an armistice on this topic pages ago?

I think the only thing which would lead to a cease fire here is either: the complete and utter capitulation of everyone to the Rafa can do no wrong POV, or; Rage (& others) getting what they want, which is clearly to see Rafa out of the door.

I for one, although I post rarely, am sick of reading the twisted and agenda ridden attacks on Rafa, along with some of the ridiculous name calling which goes on from both sides. I really do wonder why people bother to come on here with such bitter attitudes.

I posted some time ago why I believed that Rafa is the man for LFC. What I can't understand is why those who clearly have an agenda bother supporting the club at all. I can't recall ever feeling anything like the level of antipathy towards a manager of LFC that Rage & others seem to have for Rafa - with the notable exception of Souness - who really had done something to piss people off (the S*n exclusive).

So far all Rafa seems to have done to these people is to have bought an occasional dud, and not played the prettiest football they've ever seen. I can recall the last time we actually won the league (and about 16 seasons prior to that), and let me tell you, those who say the football was always fantastic, or that we steamrollered every other team we played, or that we never lost or had nervous moments or draws that should have been wins either have the rosiest tinted spectacles ever created, or only have their knowledge of the period from highlight DVDs and occasional players biographies. Sometimes we were awful, but ground out a result, sometimes we were untouchable but drew or lost to freak goals or Keeper MOMs and most of the time we were simply better than the opposition.

Rafa's way of playing seems to me to be closer to the Paisley/Fagan/Dalglish management eras than any other. He believes the entire team should attack and defend as a unit. So did Paisley et al. It used to be said that Ian Rush was our 1st line of defence.

Talking of sacking a manager who is not just trying to win as many trophies as he can for the Club, is building the club up for the future and investing heavily in youth players, but also comes across (to me at any rate) as a trhoroughly decent, conscientious, honest, and modest individual who has adopted the Club and the City (along with his clearly sensible and intelligent wife in support) seems to me to be at best bad manners, and at worst completely bonkers.

There, I've said what I wanted to get off my chest.

[BG1973]

I think the only thing which would lead to a cease fire here is either: the complete and utter capitulation of everyone to the Rafa can do no wrong POV, or; Rage (& others) getting what they want, which is clearly to see Rafa out of the door.

I for one, although I post rarely, am sick of reading the twisted and agenda ridden attacks on Rafa, along with some of the ridiculous name calling which goes on from both sides. I really do wonder why people bother to come on here with such bitter attitudes.

I posted some time ago why I believed that Rafa is the man for LFC. What I can't understand is why those who clearly have an agenda bother supporting the club at all. I can't recall ever feeling anything like the level of antipathy towards a manager of LFC that Rage & others seem to have for Rafa - with the notable exception of Souness - who really had done something to piss people off (the S*n exclusive).

So far all Rafa seems to have done to these people is to have bought an occasional dud, and not played the prettiest football they've ever seen. I can recall the last time we actually won the league (and about 16 seasons prior to that), and let me tell you, those who say the football was always fantastic, or that we steamrollered every other team we played, or that we never lost or had nervous moments or draws that should have been wins either have the rosiest tinted spectacles ever created, or only have their knowledge of the period from highlight DVDs and occasional players biographies. Sometimes we were awful, but ground out a result, sometimes we were untouchable but drew or lost to freak goals or Keeper MOMs and most of the time we were simply better than the opposition.

Rafa's way of playing seems to me to be closer to the Paisley/Fagan/Dalglish management eras than any other. He believes the entire team should attack and defend as a unit. So did Paisley et al. It used to be said that Ian Rush was our 1st line of defence.

Talking of sacking a manager who is not just trying to win as many trophies as he can for the Club, is building the club up for the future and investing heavily in youth players, but also comes across (to me at any rate) as a trhoroughly decent, conscientious, honest, and modest individual who has adopted the Club and the City (along with his clearly sensible and intelligent wife in support) seems to me to be at best bad manners, and at worst completely bonkers.

There, I've said what I wanted to get off my chest.

what he said.

[Fierce]

I think the only thing which would lead to a cease fire here is either: the complete and utter capitulation of everyone to the Rafa can do no wrong POV, or; Rage (& others) getting what they want, which is clearly to see Rafa out of the door.

I for one, although I post rarely, am sick of reading the twisted and agenda ridden attacks on Rafa, along with some of the ridiculous name calling which goes on from both sides. I really do wonder why people bother to come on here with such bitter attitudes.

I posted some time ago why I believed that Rafa is the man for LFC. What I can't understand is why those who clearly have an agenda bother supporting the club at all. I can't recall ever feeling anything like the level of antipathy towards a manager of LFC that Rage & others seem to have for Rafa - with the notable exception of Souness - who really had done something to piss people off (the S*n exclusive).

So far all Rafa seems to have done to these people is to have bought an occasional dud, and not played the prettiest football they've ever seen. I can recall the last time we actually won the league (and about 16 seasons prior to that), and let me tell you, those who say the football was always fantastic, or that we steamrollered every other team we played, or that we never lost or had nervous moments or draws that should have been wins either have the rosiest tinted spectacles ever created, or only have their knowledge of the period from highlight DVDs and occasional players biographies. Sometimes we were awful, but ground out a result, sometimes we were untouchable but drew or lost to freak goals or Keeper MOMs and most of the time we were simply better than the opposition.

Rafa's way of playing seems to me to be closer to the Paisley/Fagan/Dalglish management eras than any other. He believes the entire team should attack and defend as a unit. So did Paisley et al. It used to be said that Ian Rush was our 1st line of defence.

Talking of sacking a manager who is not just trying to win as many trophies as he can for the Club, is building the club up for the future and investing heavily in youth players, but also comes across (to me at any rate) as a trhoroughly decent, conscientious, honest, and modest individual who has adopted the Club and the City (along with his clearly sensible and intelligent wife in support) seems to me to be at best bad manners, and at worst completely bonkers.

There, I've said what I wanted to get off my chest.

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