Seems like Dirk Kuyt is untouchable

[flyboy]

And Ronaldo at the Euros and Gerrard and Carra for England are fair representations of their club form too I suppose.

the difference is kuyt is consistent....consistently ****e both for club and country!!!why am i even justifying.. end of

[BFG]

the difference is kuyt is consistent....consistently ****e both for club and country!!!why am i even justifying.. end of

End of what, you're weak argument? If so

It's amazing how such a **** player can get in a very entertaining Holland side and a top 4 club and that so many top managers rate him so highly. End of

[Laz]

the difference is kuyt is consistent....consistently ****e both for club and country!!!why am i even justifying.. end of

Don't make me quote the 'Cross-forum Supporter's Man of the Match totals for 2007/08' results. Because I will I tells ya!

[Craig_H]

Would it surprise any of you that Dirk Kuyt, at 1 in 4, has a better scoring ratio for Liverpool than Yossi, Babel and even Stevie G?

I still think there are better wide-right players out there but he still does a better job for the team than many supporters on here give him credit for.

He has 15 league goals in 63 games. And 12 of them came in his first season - when he played up front.

So as a wide right player, he doesnt have a 1 in 4 ratio.

[Laz]

He has 15 league goals in 63 games. And 12 of them came in his first season - when he played up front.

So as a wide right player, he doesnt have a 1 in 4 ratio.

He has 25 in 99 actually and where did I mention wide right in relation to that particular statistic?

[Craig_H]

He has 25 in 99 actually and where did I mention wide right in relation to that particular statistic?

He has 15 LEAGUE goals in 63 LEAGUE starts. 12 of which came when he was playing as a striker.

And you compared him to other players who have played wide right and mentioned the wide right position.

[JermainePennant]

Doesn't mean that the moaners are right though does it. There's plenty of idiots who simply don't understand that 10 minutes on match of the day doesn't make or break a player. It's their contribution to the team as a whole that's important over 90 minutes of each game of the season.

Not even sure what you're trying to say in the last paragraph. You're saying you'd give him until October but then you'd drop him. Surely his performances should dictate what would happen after October? Unless you've got it in your head already that he's 'not Liverpool quality,' and it doesn't really matter what actually happens on the pitch you'll just be good for a mind numbing cry and moan from here til kingdom come. You're last sentence certainly indicates that.

What your saying is right but Kuyt doesnt contribute enough on the pitch simple as that.He is not a winger and not good enough as a striker, A wingers main job is to creat chances and score goals not just defend against the other teams full back.We will not win the league with Kuyt playing on the right week in week out,most teams in the prem wouldnt take him and certaintly wouldnt pay what we did for him.

In the last paragraph I am saying I am pretty sure his performances will not be good enough on the right wing and I think another player (babel,pennant,benayoun) will replace him as first choice in the time period I have said.

[DannyMan2006]

Kuyt would be ideal on the LW if he was left footed. I think he would compliment the very attacking Dossena perfectly.

At RB we have a good full back in Arbeloa, but he seems to have the right balance between defence and attack, and whilst this appears to be a good thing, it doesn't compliment Kuyt.

I find it starnge that we will have a left side in Dossena and Riera that will attack for fun, whilst on the RW we will seem devoid of ideas in the attacking sense.

If only for Alves eh? Him and Kuyt would have been a dream........ But we have to look at what we will have, and by all indications it appears to be Kuyt as best option on the right. I was impressed with what Pennant offered at the end of last season and would have liked to see him get a chance in a 442, but he looks to be off. Maybe Babel will come to the right, maybe not.

Either way, it's Rafas choice. If Kuyt can start playing like he did towards the end of last season, for us and for Holland, then we will not have to worry.

I'm not a fan but the lad deserves great credit for forcing his way back into the Dutch squad and his performances in the Euros proved his inclusion correct.

Lets give it 10 games before we start judging players. After that they should all be match fit and the only players who can have excuses made for them will be the young lads and the new guys.

[DannyMan2006]

What your saying is right but Kuyt doesnt contribute enough on the pitch simple as that.He is not a winger and not good enough as a striker, A wingers main job is to creat chances and score goals not just defend against the other teams full back.We will not win the league with Kuyt playing on the right week in week out,most teams in the prem wouldnt take him and certaintly wouldnt pay what we did for him.

In the last paragraph I am saying I am pretty sure his performances will not be good enough on the right wing and I think another player (babel,pennant,benayoun) will replace him as first choice in the time period I have said.

Anyone who knows me will know I'm not a fan of Kuyt. But he offered plenty enough from RW at the end of last season. Lets give him a chance. He's no Quaresma, but a goal saved is as good as a goal scored and the graft he puts in prevents many attacks and forces the opposition to gift the ball to us. Watch him tonight and tell me after if I'm wrong.

I would like to think that in Gerrard, Torres, Keane, Babel, Riera(?) etc, we have enough free spirits who can attack with pace, craft and guile. If they aren't enough the you will have to look at the tactics Rafa gives each individual player............

Quaresma never made it to Anfield due to an unwillingness to track back. My guess is that if Kuyt was allowed to roam he'd put his energy to use in more usefull positions. It's a team effort, not an individual one.

And so far, the team results have been spot on. So we can have no complaints.

[Laz]

He has 15 LEAGUE goals in 63 LEAGUE starts. 12 of which came when he was playing as a striker.

And you compared him to other players who have played wide right and mentioned the wide right position.

They have not played exclusively wide right just as Kuyt has not played exclusively wide right. Your incorrect assumption that I was talking about position does not make my comparison any less legitimate.

Read it again, new paragraph equals new statement.

[Craig_H]

They have not played exclusively wide right just as Kuyt has not played exclusively wide right. Your incorrect assumption that I was talking about position does not make my comparison any less legitimate.

Read it again, new paragraph equals new statement.

Your point that Kuyt's goal record is better than those other players just leaves me wondering what point you were trying to make exactly. He's a striker, he should score more goals.

When you compared his goal record of one in four, to those others, what were you trying to say with that point?

[essexred]

wake up and smell the coffee

With players like kuyt in the team we will nvr challenge for the premiership. Yossi and kuyt outwide..hmm Yossi is a central midfielder always cuts inside = no width. Kuyt is totally ineffectual as a wide man, slow, can't go passed anyone.

Why is it that Benitez is the only one who can't see where we are weak. I am tired of banging on about it...yet another season of also rans

[Laz]

Your point that Kuyt's goal record is better than those other players just leaves me wondering what point you were trying to make exactly. He's a striker, he should score more goals.

When you compared his goal record of one in four, to those others, what were you trying to say with that point?

I was bringing a statistic to the discussion rather than dismissing/praising him without any form of argument whatsoever. My opinion followed.

[Laz]

With players like kuyt in the team we will nvr challenge for the premiership. Yossi and kuyt outwide..hmm Yossi is a central midfielder always cuts inside = no width. Kuyt is totally ineffectual as a wide man, slow, can't go passed anyone.

Why is it that Benitez is the only one who can't see where we are weak. I am tired of banging on about it...yet another season of also rans

Tired of banging on about it? 1 post? Is that sackparry?

[Craig_H]

I was bringing a statistic to the discussion rather than dismissing/praising him without any form of argument whatsoever. My opinion followed.

What point was your statistic backing up though?