Hammill - the return of the prodigal son?

[DannyMan2006]

What have you seen in him that makes you think he'll set the Premiership on fire? especially given the fact he's not set the championship on fire?

While I agree that many people aren't settling the Premiership on fire at the moment, I would hope that they would have the level of quality to set the championship on fire if they were playing there at the moment given that the level is lower. Hammill isn't doing that at the moment, at the moment it seems he's a decent Championship player on current form, and was a decent SPL player when on loan there, but I can't think of too many players that have been at that level and set the Premeriship on fire, as you are suggesting.

He may do a decent job for us and turn out to be a good player but I think it will take alot more time than you are suggesting

He's been loaned out 3 times hasn't he? As far as I've seen he's done well on the first one (in Scotland) and the others has been average. I would have thought he would have been glad of regular first team games to show what he can do as the reserves don't play too many games. Surely playing well regularly (at whatever level) is the only way to develop as a player and progress his career

I think we are beginning to see what I have said for a while though - that Rafa believes players often develop between 21 and 23 where many people on here write people off if they haven't reached 21 fully developed.

I've been saying the same thing dww.

As for the comments by Exiled Red and many on here, I would say that you would all be suprised if Hammill was to get game time for us. I would like to ask you the last time an attacking player from the prem went on loan to a lower league club and did the business. I'm sure there are more but I can only think of Defoe who scored in about 9 games in a row for Bournemouth, setting a league record.

And I must remind you that a lot of talented players have been on loan in past years. Before I get started as to why I will tell you Hammill's biggest problem - for three years running he has been playing for teams who are absoloute rubbish in their respective leagues. Hammill is what you would call a flair player, and these players are the first ones sacrificed in a relegation battle, especially when the player in question is a kid who had not filled out properly.

It's also a well known fact that players improve with their surroundings, so they will obviously never fully develop in the Championship. The fact that fills me with promise about Hammill, is that everytime he has been in a game of high importance he has excelled. A storming goal against Celtic is well documented, as are his majestic performances on the cup run in. Less well known is his MOTM performance and goal for Blackpool against their big rivals Preston this year.

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I remember hearing that the reason Hammill got sent on loan being the same reason Babel can not get a game at present. No doubt about his attacking abilities, but they questioned his desire to get back and work for the team. I am now hearing that this problem has been ironed out of his game. At this point in time Hammill could well have stayed at Blackpool, so no doubt he has been recalled to see if what Rafa has heard about the lad is true. Basically he is being given a chance in training to show what he can do.

From seeing his big game mentality I have no doubt that he will impress Rafa and may well get a chance against Preston. And like Rage I will pin my colours to the mast and say if this lad gets a chance he could well make a lot of people eat their words.

Unlike rage though I will say this is down to clever development by Rafa and that only now is he ready to be considered potential first team.

[knockers]

Where is Paul Anderson? What ever happened to him, he seemed a very good prospect the few times I saw him play but can't say I've heard much of him for a while.

After the typing the above I checked wiki and he's at Forrest but has been injured much of the season played 13 games and scored 1goal so far.

Really hope that a lot of these young guys make it at Liverpool but you can understand the massive pressure Rafa is under. It must be hard to give them the chance to play, make mistakes and learn. If they are good enough though, they will make it.

[rage]

is he coming back then?

[Shaggy]

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1241620&postcount=45

[rage]

talented boy, would love to see him given a chance in the fa cup and 10 minutes here and there off the bench

[Exiled_red]

I've been saying the same thing dww.

As for the comments by Exiled Red and many on here, I would say that you would all be suprised if Hammill was to get game time for us. I would like to ask you the last time an attacking player from the prem went on loan to a lower league club and did the business. I'm sure there are more but I can only think of Defoe who scored in about 9 games in a row for Bournemouth, setting a league record.

And I must remind you that a lot of talented players have been on loan in past years. Before I get started as to why I will tell you Hammill's biggest problem - for three years running he has been playing for teams who are absoloute rubbish in their respective leagues. Hammill is what you would call a flair player, and these players are the first ones sacrificed in a relegation battle, especially when the player in question is a kid who had not filled out properly.

It's also a well known fact that players improve with their surroundings, so they will obviously never fully develop in the Championship. The fact that fills me with promise about Hammill, is that everytime he has been in a game of high importance he has excelled. A storming goal against Celtic is well documented, as are his majestic performances on the cup run in. Less well known is his MOTM performance and goal for Blackpool against their big rivals Preston this year.

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I remember hearing that the reason Hammill got sent on loan being the same reason Babel can not get a game at present. No doubt about his attacking abilities, but they questioned his desire to get back and work for the team. I am now hearing that this problem has been ironed out of his game. At this point in time Hammill could well have stayed at Blackpool, so no doubt he has been recalled to see if what Rafa has heard about the lad is true. Basically he is being given a chance in training to show what he can do.

From seeing his big game mentality I have no doubt that he will impress Rafa and may well get a chance against Preston. And like Rage I will pin my colours to the mast and say if this lad gets a chance he could well make a lot of people eat their words.

Unlike rage though I will say this is down to clever development by Rafa and that only now is he ready to be considered potential first team.

Reading over your post (and my quotes) it may seem I'm being harsh in my opinions, I'm not trying to come across like that and by no means am I trying to have a go at anyone. I just want to be realistic and I can't think of many young players that have instantly set the Premiership on fire. Obviously going back a few years the obvious ones for us have been Fowler and Owen. Even Gerrard in his first few Premiership games didn't set the league on fire. Hammill may very well go on to be a great player (I can't say now) and if that is the case I don't want some of the drama queens on here getting on his back when he does get a run of games because he hasn't set the league on fire as people were expecting him to.

IMO bringing any young player into the first team requires them to get time before they set the league on fire, the ones that do make an imediate impact are the exception rather than the rule. I hope you are right and Hammill is one of these exceptions, becase that will mean we'll have a special player.

[Parm]

talented boy, would love to see him given a chance in the fa cup and 10 minutes here and there off the bench

so would I. The increased number of subs gives Rafa the option of giving game time to a few kids. Ngog against thebarcodes was the perfect example-the commentators were trying to make a lot out of keane not coming on, but when the game was won and we were dominating it was the right call to give some experience to Ngog.

[fin7]

anyone know how Paul Anderson is progessing - wasnt he meant to a good right wing prospect as well - remember him scoring some great goals for the reserves

[rage]

the last player i recall for us ever going on loan and coming back a better player was danny murphy. anderson is indeed talented and i'd like to see if he's developed through going out on loan

[Red_Polo]

the last player i recall for us ever going on loan and coming back a better player was danny murphy.

Murphy came back a different player. Warnock more recently.

[Neil Young]

Murphy came back a different player. Warnock.

That IS a different player.

[Red_Polo]

That IS a different player.

hahah

[nineteen]

I have to believe the fact his loan was not extended means he'll get some time in the first team. There seems little point in keeping him if he's going to be playing in the reserves, let alone the fact that he was only recently given a three year contract.

The big question is whether he offers more than Kuyt in the RM position.

[saj]

One thing I don't think anybody has mentioned is the fact they be recalling him due to the Champions league squad rule regarding including players trained in clubs academy. Just a thought. Definately a talented player.

[nineteen]

One thing I don't think anybody has mentioned is the fact they be recalling him due to the Champions league squad rule regarding including players trained in clubs academy. Just a thought. Definately a talented player.

Not questioning you, just not sure what you mean. How is the group stage different from knockouts and how does that affect Hammil?