THE Ryan Babel thread

[DannyMan2006]

Back to the original poster though, essentially what you are saying is:

"Don't blame Babel......he may be ****.........but so are the rest of our team!!"

ha ha

I'm saying that people glossed over the Spurs defeat by laying the blame on Babel. There were posters who seemed to think that dropping Babel and playing Yossi would radically change our play and make us great. I said at the time that the problem was entirely to do with the CM and no one listened. Yet now I see people are starting to agree with me.

Yes people played poor against Spurs and Stoke. But it was partly down to them not being able to play due to the problem in CM. That is where games are won and lost in football.

At present when we are pressured our attacks are not quick enough and as such they break down. Obviously when teams sit off us they concede possession and allow us to create chances, but teams sit off more because we are Liverpool and not because we are putting them under any sort of extended pressure.

[Fierce]

So basically, you posted :

Yes you all know who you are. I'm not going to try and change your minds as it would be a waste of my time. But I will call you all out on it.

After the Spurs game I read through a lot of the post match thread and Ryan Babel threads and the general feeling amongst a lot of people was that Liverpools ****e attacking display had all been down to Babel being ****. And that the reason LFC suddenly became so good was because Babel was taken off for Yossi.

I argued that the improvement was down To Spurs sitting back and no longer pressing us. This was dismissed. I argued that the real reason are team had not been good enough was a problem in centre midfield. This was dismissed. In fact I was told by a lot of people that Lucas had been one of the best players on the pitch.

I said at the time Babel did not have a good game, but that he did no worse than anyone else and that the problem was elsewhere.

I would be interested to know if people still feel we lost against Spurs because Ryan Babel was rubbish and that we would have won had Yossi started.

When this would have done:

Ner ner told you so *sticks tongue out petulantly*

[DannyMan2006]

When this would have done:

I don't normally bother and reading the comments it seems I wasted my breath anyway. But I expected the above responce I got.

[Montana]

Yes you all know who you are. I'm not going to try and change your minds as it would be a waste of my time. But I will call you all out on it.

After the Spurs game I read through a lot of the post match thread and Ryan Babel threads and the general feeling amongst a lot of people was that Liverpools ****e attacking display had all been down to Babel being ****. And that the reason LFC suddenly became so good was because Babel was taken off for Yossi.

I argued that the improvement was down To Spurs sitting back and no longer pressing us. This was dismissed. I argued that the real reason are team had not been good enough was a problem in centre midfield. This was dismissed. In fact I was told by a lot of people that Lucas had been one of the best players on the pitch.

I said at the time Babel did not have a good game, but that he did no worse than anyone else and that the problem was elsewhere.

I would be interested to know if people still feel we lost against Spurs because Ryan Babel was rubbish and that we would have won had Yossi started.

Babel is ****e. End of.

[Fierce]

I don't normally bother and reading the comments it seems I wasted my breath anyway. But I expected the above responce I got.

It was a good post to be fair and I agree with you, but I couldn't resist

[Roberto Bobbolino]

He's:
A. Garbage.
B. Playing for the wrong manager.

[Helios Creed]

I've been praying that he would deliver on his promise, but his confidence has gone and he seems to be getting worse...

[squaddie]

Regardless of whether it was 'his fault' or not, he's simply not good enough to play for Liverpool (or any other top 4 team for that matter) Rafa knows it, the fans know it... and I’m quite sure he does as well.

Could you not make a thread exactly the same as this except replace 'Babel' with 'Lucas' and you'd get the same response?

If agree with the point your trying to make..... You (generally) can’t blame a loss like last night on one player. But people always put the blame on a single person/problem..... It’s always been like that.

[Catrin]

A decent athlete when he can be bothered to really have a go. Could be effective sometimes as long as he gets the ball early and in space. Decent touch and ball control. No real idea or instinct for what to do with the ball once he has it under control. Defenders seem to find it too easy to read what he is going to do and the timing of when he is going to do it. How he gets into the Dutch national team is truly beyond me.

[joxers25]

on Babel - a simple analogy:

If u wanted a hammer, you would go to the shop and buy a hammer.
You wouldn't buy a screwdriver, try to use it as a hammer only to complain about how sh1te a screwdriver it is.

Babel is not a left winger.

[joxers25]

Babel is not a left winger.

Either is Benny. - where is reira?

[squaddie]

on Babel - a simple analogy:

If u wanted a hammer, you would go to the shop and buy a hammer.
You wouldn't buy a screwdriver, try to use it as a hammer only to complain about how sh1te a screwdriver it is.

Babel is not a left winger.

What is he then? Im pretty sure he's not proven as a striker.

[Nicey]

Yes you all know who you are. I'm not going to try and change your minds as it would be a waste of my time. But I will call you all out on it.

After the Spurs game I read through a lot of the post match thread and Ryan Babel threads and the general feeling amongst a lot of people was that Liverpools ****e attacking display had all been down to Babel being ****. And that the reason LFC suddenly became so good was because Babel was taken off for Yossi.

I argued that the improvement was down To Spurs sitting back and no longer pressing us. This was dismissed. I argued that the real reason are team had not been good enough was a problem in centre midfield. This was dismissed. In fact I was told by a lot of people that Lucas had been one of the best players on the pitch.

I said at the time Babel did not have a good game, but that he did no worse than anyone else and that the problem was elsewhere.

I would be interested to know if people still feel we lost against Spurs because Ryan Babel was rubbish and that we would have won had Yossi started.

Danny I have been on these boards for some time and I rarely call players out .. I even defended Traore for awhile but Babel .. is just not doing it game in game out, the only time I have seen him have a decent game was as a impact sub when the other team were mentally shot .. and perhaps Madrid ... but my instincts tell no .. I hope I am wrong .. I took a punt on him this year to come good in Pro Fantasy Football

[DannyMan2006]

Danny I have been on these boards for some time and I rarely call players out .. I even defended Traore for awhile but Babel .. is just not doing it game in game out, the only time I have seen him have a decent game was as a impact sub when the other team were mentally shot .. and perhaps Madrid ... but my instincts tell no .. I hope I am wrong .. I took a punt on him this year to come good in Pro Fantasy Football

I don't defend players for the sake of it, I just give them time before writing them off.

My opinion on Babel is that he did as well as could be expected in his first season, but was very poor last year. From reading what he and Rafa had to say it seems a lot of that was down to injuries at the start and going to the olympics. He lost his place to Riera after that and never really got a look in. But he got the odd chance and didn't really do enough, though he did seem to perform better in the big games as usual.

This year he did as well as anyone in pre season IMO. He then started against Spurs (No Riera Yossi with a knock) and had a great chance to impress. He didn't take it (again). I wouldn't say many performed better than him on the day, but when you are a player on the fringes of the team you need to play better than everyone to keep your place.

I'd give him until January at least personally. But I'd be tempted if a reasonable bid came in for him.

[kingfunk]

Ryan Babel

Thought this was spot on:

One thing that must be frustrating for Rafa to hear from pundits and supporters alike is that the side lacks a bit of dynamism in the final third and a player that can make all the difference when they come on. Benayoun's efforts are rightly championed and he does look to make a difference when he comes on, but surely it is Babel that should be adding that ingredient that Liverpool is supposedly missing. Lightning quick, skilful not to mention an eye for a goal, the Dutchman should be stepping up to the plate, offering Rafa that alternative and subsequently give us a greater cutting edge in games. Babel just doesn't grasp what a difference he can make to the proceedings and it kind of justifies why Rafa is so reluctant to start him.

I just can't work the fella out and what I find frustrating more than anything is the effort and application he shows when he does come on as a sub. He seems oblivious to the situation, doesn't show any urgency and more worryingly doesn't seem interested at all. Babel has all the raw ingredients to be an incredible asset to the team and not to mention would take a huge amount of weight and expectation off the shoulders of Gerrard and Torres in the final third. We can all scream and moan that Rafa needs to go out and bring in this player and that player to liven up the attack, yet he has the right man already in his armoury, however is struggling to unlock his potential. It is extremely frustrating and I am not sure there is anything more than Rafa can do and the onus is simply on Babel to go out and seize the opportunity when it is presented to him. Benitez came out last week and suggested that this was the season for him to step up and grasp the opportunity; I just wonder how long we are going to have to wait.

http://www.footballfancast.com/blog/liverpool/the-%C2%A311m-mystery-rafa-simply-has-solve/16255

I hope he is not just here for a cash injection while he gets his "Rap" career on track?