Let's look on the positive side of things

[red g]

As much as I dislike the football we play at the moment, and the apparent lack of depth, if push come to shove I'd prefer to give Rafa a couple more years to turn things around.

If he walked though, I'd have a preference for Hiddink, closely followed by Mourihno. I think Mourihno is waiting for the Utd job though, and I'm pretty sure he'll be their next manager.

is that the same mourinho who just slagged off one of the inter legends? the same mourinho who is hated in Italy? the same Mourinho that has got Inter playing ****e, ****e football?

[Reece]

Yeah I don't really know what people that dislike the style of our football under Benitez are expecting with Mourinho.

[FatTony]

is that the same mourinho who just slagged off one of the inter legends? the same mourinho who is hated in Italy? the same Mourinho that has got Inter playing ****e, ****e football?

thats a terribly weak argument.

anyway
yep the same mourihno who took Inter to the title last season, the same Inter who sit at the top of the table right now, the same mourinho who took Porto to the league title, the same mourinho who won the CL with Porto, the very same mourinho who won the epl, the same mourinho who won the FA cup, the same mourinho who never lost a game at the bridge. yep, thats the one.

[FatTony]

Yeah I don't really know what people that dislike the style of our football under Benitez are expecting with Mourinho.

which part of this did you both not read?

"if push come to shove I'd prefer to give Rafa a couple more years to turn things around.

If he walked though, I'd have a preference for Hiddink".

As far as Mourinho goes, I can't believe some people don't rate him.

[Guest]

yep the same mourihno who took Inter to the title last season, the same mourinho who took Porto to the league title, the same mourinho who won the CL with Porto, the very same mourinho who won the epl, the same mourinho who won the FA cup, the same mourinho who never lost a game at the bridge. yep, thats the one.

The same Mourihno who had £250m to spend in his first season.

[Reece]

which part of this did you both not read?

"if push come to shove I'd prefer to give Rafa a couple more years to turn things around.

If he walked though, I'd have a preference for Hiddink".

As far as Mourinho goes, I can't believe some people don't rate him.

Sorry yeah I know, my post wasn't really aimed at you, more of a general thing.

[FatTony]

The same Mourihno who had £250m to spend in his first season.

Thats not exactly the point though is it, we're talking about the quality of his management. He did enough with Porto to counter act that and he's won wherever he's gone.

[dww]

which part of this did you both not read?

"if push come to shove I'd prefer to give Rafa a couple more years to turn things around.

If he walked though, I'd have a preference for Hiddink".

As far as Mourinho goes, I can't believe some people don't rate him.

I don't think people don't rate him. If you have the money and players already to win a league he is an excellent manager who will turn the probability into a near certainty. I don't think we are in that sort of position and need to grow teams and build through diligent purchases over time and youth development. Those are two things that Mourinho has shown little interest in over his career.

[red g]

yep the same mourihno who took Inter to the title last season, the same Inter who sit at the top of the table right now, the same mourinho who took Porto to the league title, the same mourinho who won the CL with Porto, the very same mourinho who won the epl, the same mourinho who won the FA cup, the same mourinho who never lost a game at the bridge. yep, thats the one.

is that the same inter who had already won the last 3 titles before Mourinho took over? the same porto who had won something like 15 titles out of the last 20 odd seasons and no competition as benfica were really **** then?, the same chelsea that had 200m spent on them to make them champions when they were allready a good team with terry, lampard etc????

Just checking

[red g]

I don't think people don't rate him. If you have the money and players already to win a league he is an excellent manager who will turn the probability into a near certainty. I don't think we are in that sort of position and need to grow teams and build through diligent purchases over time and youth development. Those are two things that Mourinho has shown little interest in over his career.

but apparently thats wht he wants to do next according to the special one

[RedReet]

Its not right, Rafa has improved on our overall league points

Taking the last 5 years of each manager, then Houllier achieved 340 league points,
Benitez 370. The only area which hasn't been improved is goals scored, which was a little better under Houllier.

This season apart, we've achieved far more in Europe under Rafa, under Ged we used to struggle against any old fodder, though of course this campaign was ****e. 2 unimpressive wins against possibly the worst side in the CL and 1 point in 4 games against Fiorentina and Lyon reminds me of the days under Ged, but lets just hope that it is a blip.

In career games as a manager of all clubs though, both Ged and Rafa are absolutely equal. 622 games and a win rate of 51%.

That's a surprise, I wouldn't have expected that.

[kingfunk]

....................Years.....games.....wins...... win%
Rafa Benitez......14........631........322........51%
Gerard Houllier....14.........629........322......51%

[RedReet]

....................Years.....games.....wins...... win%
Rafa Benitez......14........631........322........51%
Gerard Houllier....14.........629........322......51%

Thanks, but I’m sure that Vonk was implying that their Liverpool records were the same. What difference does it make what their results were at different clubs from different leagues?

[MrMichael]

Mourinho is more of a man-manager than Rafa. Not necessarily better, but different. However their tactical ethos is pretty similar.

IF Rafa was to go I'd prefer someone else, however I also think at the moment neither he nor the likes of Hiddink would really want the job. I really think we'd end up with someone like Klinsmann.

Its not right, Rafa has improved on our overall league points

Taking the last 5 years of each manager, then Houllier achieved 340 league points,
Benitez 370. The only area which hasn't been improved is goals scored, which was a little better under Houllier.

This season apart, we've achieved far more in Europe under Rafa, under Ged we used to struggle against any old fodder, though of course this campaign was ****e. 2 unimpressive wins against possibly the worst side in the CL and 1 point in 4 games against Fiorentina and Lyon reminds me of the days under Ged, but lets just hope that it is a blip.

In career games as a manager of all clubs though, both Ged and Rafa are absolutely equal. 622 games and a win rate of 51%.

I'd imagine Houllier's overall career winrate is favourably aided by having managed a dominating Lyon side in a "lesser" league.

There is no question in my mind that Rafa has been a more successful Liverpool manager than Houllier. Neither has won the title but Rafa has won more points in what I think has become a tougher league, and Rafa's big success has been in making us a true European force; we may not have won it again since 2005 but we came very close on several occasions, and until this season at least no side has ever wanted to play us.

What concerns me, despite (imo) Rafa's superiority over Houllier as LFC manager, is that this season, for the first time, the players have started to display a lack of something almost intangible on the pitch.... belief in what they're trying to do perhaps, that we haven't really seen since the last 18 months under Houllier. I don't think its too late for that to change though, the combination of Torres, Aquilani and Gerrard hopefully getting and staying fit could perhaps kick us back into motion and give Rafa the chance to install some renewed mettle in the team.

[Nicey]

He's gonna leave this time he's ready to take a pay cut to move back to italy

Dont blame him its turned out to be a bit of a knightmare move for him ... he was flying in Sira A before he came here