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    (Possible) Battle Plan re The disgusting parasites that 'Claim' to own us.

    See? I KNEW it. There you go - Again. I wrote down what I thought earlier about just WHAT we should do about those odious creatures sucking Anfield dry earlier - It was a concise plan with some REAL ideas that might actually hit them where it hurts - in their pockets and FORCE some change and what happened? AGAIN I was ignored - I don't why I bother, I really don't. Anyway, for one last time in the VAIN hope that someone MIGHT listen I'll recopy it shall I? In the hope, I don't know maybe that someone on here or SOMEONE (maybe from SOS) might read and see WHAT I'm trying to say - I'll present it for your perusal once more - I hope someone reads it THIS time and actually LISTENS but I doubt it. Anyway for the VERY last time on here - Here is my ideas on just WHAT we should do to shatter the paralysis of the stalemate gripping Anfield under those two (a stalemate called 'their ownership' BTW). THIS is what I put earlier, just below.

    Ah well, Here goes nothing........Again;

    ''I personally think it's easy enough to plan a campaign against H & G, compose a battle plan and to pick the right targets necessary in order to elicit the required reaction we need to finally get rid of H & G - It would even be very easy to implement if tried correctly and at the right times. But (and it's a bloody big BUT) the REAL question is do we the long downtrodden, laughed at, ignored and exploited majority known formerly as 'the Fans' AND SOS have the sheer Balls to carry out what is necessary as it WILL hurt LFC and may involve us in conflict with the authorities/those in power at some point and there Will be pain before we Finally regain LFC's freedom from the twin horrors. I think the biggest obstacle stopping us ridding LFC of them isn't just the ridiculous and pathetic prejudice (H & G driven of course via Purslow) against our manager, players and even the supporters who side with them (erm, 'divide and rule anyone?') but also our own FEAR. We are AFRAID to do what is necessary as we're not sure what we're taking on And we're afraid of hurting our own club even if it is the only way we can excise the cancers currently plaguing it. Well people, when those poor sufferers in REAL life have their cancers burned out it Does hurt and the blowtorches that remove them Are indeed painful but unfortunately it's the ONLY way to get rid of them.

    Sooner or later methinks, our fans Will realise this about our beloved club and H & G and Will act accordingly - The question is when? I think we NEED to realise what needs to be done and set it in motion NOW as waiting any longer could be fatal for Liverpool FC as we know it - It's a guerilla war against those two and Has been since 2007 - They used NO scruples in buying us, taking us over and setting up a 'money transfusion' to suck out our clubs lifeblood - they've got Worse ever since in their disregard for the rules, contempt of us fans and how open they are about their sheer Greed - we NEED to fight dirty and beat them at their own game, using their rules against them and basically absolutely bombarding them until we are rid of them. Observing the rules, the niceties, behaving etc has got us NOWHERE - It's time to take the fight TO them in a language THEY understand - and fear because make no mistake they Are terrified of the day dawning when our fans DO decide ''enough is enough - time to disregard ALL rules, side together as one and GET THEM OUT!!'' They are frightened of that day dawning beyond all reason. Well it's time we MADE it come and brought their worst nightmare to life, WAY past time. However first? Well first we must as I've already said overcome our own fan's fears concerning what MUST now be done. Take the following example from earlier if you don't believe me about the type of fear we Need to overcome amongst our own fans in order to act. This was concerning someones idea that we attack the club's main website in order to damage H & G's income from the club and serve notice that we mean business (an excellent idea by the way moreso if said attack was directly aimed against the club's ticket section on the website thereby wrecking HUGE damage on the club's ability to sell tickets and thus give them the 'matchday money' that is almost like their lifeblood at Anfield and the Main part of what they're sucking from OUR club).

    '' If there was a co-ordinated aproach to do a denial of servie attack on a corporate site, the cops would come knocking real quick.'' (Flake)

    Not if it was done anonymously by those who knew what they were doing (technical experts/computer boffins etc) from a remote server VERY heavily defended by firewalls, anonymous browsers and with NO prior warning of our intentions, they wouldn't. Then it COULD be any one of a million or so computers that organised the takedown. And it could be done repeatedly from Different systems each time to further confuse those in charge at LFC and the cops. Also I think we should Finally target the banks extensively, repeatedly and VERY noisily (i.e. in the media/with notice/questions to local politicians etc as to WHY they're not acting against the banks/H&G) until they get the message and Stop faffing around supporting the dying regime with constant refinances.

    Finally we should REALLY go after H & G's sponsors/business partners and associates. If we can do to him what we did to Steve Cohen only last year in the US via our US based supporters AND those supporters with the knowhow to locate said sponsors etc from the UK. If we target them repeatedly and FORCE them to withdraw their support/finances from H & G by making it clear just HOW bad for their businesses/organisations it will be if they continue to support them in the teeth of millions of VERY pissed off Liverpool fans who Will withdraw their business? Well, IF we do that I think their financial strength and thus their negotiating position will crumble VERY rapidly. Then of course there's the mass boycotts of goods AND games that we NEED to do in conjunction with the above mentioned Computer attacks on the club website - Combine the two and we'll Really scare H & G/FORCE them to think about getting out as THEN we'll be attacking their pockets/income from LFC and that Will move their useless backsides. But instead of talking about on here we NEED to get all this into action now.

    Surely SOS have enough supporters and contacts by now to arrange simultaneous strikes/boycotts aimed at the club AND attacks on the club website (particularly the ticket office section of it if we want to do some REAL damage), to also arrange to go after/inconvenience and force the withdrawal of support from H & G's supports/sponsors/business partners AND to simultaneously launch a campaign against RBS? That little lot should keep us LFC fans AND SOS Very busy and what's more as it's All directed at the one thing that WILL hurt H & G in relation to Liverpool (i.e. their pockets/income/money). I also think we might try to 'turn' someone on the inside at the club (if not Kenny then another big name with connections who's working for them maybe even Broughton? Like we Could have done with Purslow but didn't) with a view to getting them to CHALLENGE H & G from the inside to go And to reveal what's going on to the outside world thereby fatally undermining them still more at Anfield. If carried out well and implemented correctly, this strategy would soon produce the type of results that those two have stubbornly Refused to give us deliberately for years now - It would result in them going VERY quickly and not at all at a time of their own choosing - In fact I can't think of a strategy that would inconvenience, upset, hurt, infuriate and financially damage that fat tosser Hicks and his Penfold lookalike mini dwarf sidekick/pet SNAKE Gillette any more than this. It would REALLY hurt them I think; But we NEED to do it soon. Very soon indeed............

    NB If necessary PHYSICAL threats and force (pickets, banners when they visit Anfield, physically stopping them entering as has already been done twice already might work as well in FORCING them to reconsider hanging on. Not assaults obviously but the next thing down - physical shall we say realignment/a contract on them maybe if all else fails? There's Plenty of possibilities if it comes to That - The Hicks Sports Group that was in charge of Corinthians only thought about moving when matters got REALLY violent/threatening a few years back - I don't think it will get to That level here but it shows that such tactics Can work if necessary).

    NNB Further to what I said earlier; I think SOS could do a lot worse than to try and organise a 'union' section of themselves for ALL our former players who are willing to help and get those who DO answer our call out in the media attacking the owners and their disgusting practices at EVERY opportunity. It may not seem like much but with pressure as they say at Tesco ''Every little helps'' and it ALL mounts up in the end.

    NNNB WHEN they are gone (and believe it or not they Will be...........one day). Does anyone else agree with me that the club should attempt to take back ALL the money taken by them as 'stolen/illegally obtained revenue''? That money may be all their surviving on by then, given how badly H & G have done elsewhere in business and taking it Back from them really could bankrupt them. Which would be deserved to say the very least.

    There you go, fellow fans/SOS members etc. That's my idea of Grand Strategy and what a battle plan for fighting a PROPER campaign against those two with teeth and actually getting them out instead of contributing to the current stalemate looks like. See what you think - In the case of SOS - TRY some of them. I know they may seem a Little shall we say ''close to the wind''/on the wrong side of the tracks but so what? THEY didn't act by the rules in their conduct at Anfield or SINCE buying us did they? Beat them at their own game and they'll soon retreat. Also isn't it ALWAYS the case that the more effect something could have the Harder it is to do it nowadays? Why do you Think most of what I suggested would be difficult? Because the authorities and those on the side of H & G KNOW it will get them out that's why. So let's Use these plans or something like them and see if the owners really Do have the stomach for a PROPER fight - I'm guessing they don't. But there's only one way to find out.......................''

    Hope you like it despite it's length but SOMEONE read it this time please? Then at least I'll know I've not wasted my time - It's blindingly obvious what we SHOULD do about those two and I've tried to list just WHAT there. As I said above - I HOPE someone listens this time but I don't care if they do or not. It's the very LAST time I'll post anything re fighting the owners as at the moment, it seems like no-one ever does............................
    Last edited by Redshadow; 15-05-10, 09:52 AM.

    #2
    Ok, so I assume you have access to a huge botnet then?

    No one is happy with the current situation, but we are getting closer to the Americans leaving. We are officially up for sale now. If we are patient we will see the club sold and none of us will have to go to jail either!
    K ris90210

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      #3
      No idea mate why my post was wrong in your view; I Just think that yet AGAIN we're stuck at a point THEY are happy with us lingering at/are happy to stay stuck in such a rut for a good while yet. This is AGAIN instead of US influencing events - Remember LAST summer and the one before when at certain times, sales/investment seemed close only to vanish into the ether? Well I get a horrible feeling that we're in a situation like that AGAIN; You know the existence whereby we'll eke out an existence as a club languishing somewhere lost in the depths of mid-table respectability, stumble along hemorrhaging money and star players right, left and centre - Hear of and get close to Dozens of sales and then? Watch them fall through as the twin parasites TRY to create an auction/up their profit and REFUSE to lower THEIR price (the REAL sticking point).

      I think they'd love that if this was the case of affairs for a long time yet. Oh yes, that will suit them JUST fine - ESPecially if as rumoured - RBS have given them ANOTHER 12 months to complete this so-called 'sale' of theirs in. We NEED to jolt them OUT of this lethargy they love so much. We NEED to put a rocket/stun gun up their arsea or MARK my words - Those two 'things' WILL own us going into 2011. Just watch. Anyway, my post was just some ideas on doing just that and Shattering the stalemate AND their dreams of profiting from our sale; That's all along with maybe us claiming back some of the money THEY have stolen from us.

      NB: BTW I'm not saying any of us WILL go to jail - Just that it MIGHT become a hazard at some point if we Really go after them PROPERLY, that's all.
      Last edited by Redshadow; 15-05-10, 10:10 AM.

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        #4
        How old are you !

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          #5
          31 years of age.

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            #6
            Well behave like it.
            Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom- 2 years 1year 0.5 years

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              #7
              Why? What's wrong with writing what I feel? Yes I admit SOME of the main post was a bit OTT re the bits about police etc and crashing websites (although as I discussed THAT part of it from someone Else's quote - It's clear I wasn't the only one discussing such matters no?). But what about the rest of it? There was some good ideas there but they were mostly ignored. Which isn't on as I thought targetting those two - their corporate sponsors/business partners AND the banks that are propping up their filthy regime would be guaranteed to move them eventually. Or don't enough of our fans care to even TRY that now? I WAS right wasn't I? We ARE afraid to do the necessary and go after those two PROPERLY. As I said before - it's blindingly obvious just WHAT motivates those two and thus their weak spots SHOULD be clear as well And just HOW to attack them/Where - That no-one has yet done so speaks volumes for our support and the fight (or rather lack thereof) against Gillette and Hicks - We can protest, write letters and meet the PL officials all we like but we WON'T move those two Until we go after them Properly by attacking what REALLY hurts/motivates them - Their wallets/money. Until we affect the money they are getting AND their financial allies/banks we WON'T get anywhere - I'm surprised no-one's seen that yet and astonished that No-one has acted on it.................

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                #8
                Typo i think, did'nt you mean 13 !

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                  #9
                  Nope - I am 31, was born on July 18th 1978 and have one son of my own whose the shining light in my life - the absolute joy of my days, came as a COMPLETE surprise and who turns 1 on Monday (17th May).

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                    #10
                    This is the kind of fundamentalist nonsense that puts a lot of fans off getting behind these supporters groups (I realise this is an individual's idea rather than SOS' etc).

                    Also, what's with the uppercasing of every other word? Do you talk like that in real life?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Redshadow View Post
                      Nope - I am 31, was born on July 18th 1978 and have one son of my own.
                      Oh boy............I smell a High School Massacre.........

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Redshadow View Post
                        See? I KNEW it. There you go - Again. I wrote down what I thought earlier about just WHAT we should do about those odious creatures sucking Anfield dry earlier - It was a concise plan with some REAL ideas that might actually hit them where it hurts - in their pockets and FORCE some change and what happened? AGAIN I was ignored - I don't why I bother, I really don't. Anyway, for one last time in the VAIN hope that someone MIGHT listen I'll recopy it shall I? In the hope, I don't know maybe that someone on here or SOMEONE (maybe from SOS) might read and see WHAT I'm trying to say - I'll present it for your perusal once more - I hope someone reads it THIS time and actually LISTENS but I doubt it. Anyway for the VERY last time on here - Here is my ideas on just WHAT we should do to shatter the paralysis of the stalemate gripping Anfield under those two (a stalemate called 'their ownership' BTW). THIS is what I put earlier, just below.
                        I wouldn't take offence at your previous post having gotten a bit buried in the SOS thread dude, personally I completely missed it despite posting just afterwards in response to someone else. As an aside, I wouldn't precisely describe your post as consise.... I have issues myself with wordiness from time to time, and its certainly a subject that merits full and lengthy discussion, but I do think your particular post might have gotten a bit more response had it been a bit less of a wall of text, perhaps highlighting your points or delaying making some until later in a discussion.

                        At that length it becomes a bit tricky to respond fully without things becoming even more clunky, but I'll try to address your central theme

                        Direct action & fear of it - This is a complicated issue, and not as simple as you're making out. I'm not sure people are as much "afraid to do what is necessary" as in the belief that what is practical is unlikely to make enough of a difference, and anything more than that will not have widespread enough support or be a disaster. And possibly be entirely counter-productive. If to achieve our aim we should resort to any means necessary, including almost violent and definitely illegal actions, what do we become ourselves? Reading some of that that I must admit I got a mental image of something between the miner's strikes and riots in Thailand, but everyone wearing our shirt.... it wasn't a good image. Some of the more 'extreme' actions have been a major contributing factor to the alienation of some fans and groups like SOS, physically preventing people getting to the stadium and so on; many people see that sort of thing as petty and too close to the line, not to mention very un-media savvy.

                        Dos'ing the website is just a silly suggestion, for a myriad of technical and practical reasons, not to mention the moral ones. Not trying to cause offence, but you don't really know what you're talking about with that suggestion. Nevertheless, I'll have an end to that line, even if you think its a good idea you shouldn't post it on any public, search-engined section of any website. I've seen an awful lot of screwy things happen on t'internets over the years, I have no wish to have any Henry II moments here thank you very much

                        Some of our other ideas about pressure and boycotts etc possibly do have merits, although I would caution that any boycott only works when it is specifically targeted at an individual (brand). As an example, we can boycott the ****rag extremely effectively (on Merseyside) because we don't try to boycott all Murdoch media. It's much harder to boycott a group of products arbitrarily connected, and even harder to "pressurize sponsors, associates and business partners". Certainly so as to "force" them to do anything. Now if we had £500m then things might be a bit different.

                        The other issue of course is whether doing all that would actually make it harder for H&G to sell the club, Or, what if we managed to persuade the financial institutions to stop financing the current regime and the club basically went bust? And gets bought our by even worse asset strippers? We've got to be a little bit careful, I entirely agree with the fans should be more unified behind some sort of campaign to keep pressure on the current regime to leave our club, and I really don't mean to come over all negative at a very heartfelt post, but I'm just a little unconvinced going as far as you suggest at times would be ultimately beneficial to the cause.
                        I could not dig, I dared not rob:
                        Therefore I lied to please the mob.
                        Now all my lies are proved untrue
                        And I must face the men I slew.
                        What tale shall serve me here among
                        Mine angry and defrauded young?

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                          #13
                          You're wasting your time on this lot mate. People on this site are only now starting to show real concern about what's happening to our club. Other sites have been fearing the worst case scenarios for literally years. Patrons of EST seem more interested in how nice their adult full kit is or slagging off SOS . Like I said mate. Waste of time.
                          I have one word to offer - honesty. I couldn't be devious if I tried. Joe Fagan.

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                            #14
                            Why's it fundamentalist Reece? Is suggesting bombarding Hicks/Gillettes sponsors with emails/letters and complaints/threats of withdrawn business until they leave them Fundamentalist? I think not. Have you ever heard of Steve Cohen? Now tell me what happened to HIM? Or more accurately HOW it happened to him via LFC fans. Ah yes, they did something Very similar to what I just suggested no.

                            People label it fundamentalist/terrorist/how much they hate Direct Action - and just WHO do you think DID label it hmm? The authorities and the likes of G & H who are VERY afraid of such action that's who - now WHY are they afraid I wonder?. As I said pontificate on how much you Hate such ideas all you like but you'll never know unless we try it will you?

                            I guarantee you ONE thing - If we had the balls to try even half of what I suggested or something like it - G & H would be gone within weeks rather than months - Anyone can see they don't have the stomach for a Real fight. I think most of our fans though don't have the balls to attack them in such a way as to Give them that fight though do they? (Not if they share your views they don't anyway).

                            So we are condemned to the Slow Path, helpless to assist our club as it bleeds from near mortal wounds and we must watch those two pieces of carrion fiddle while Anfield burns. All because we don't have the GUTS to go after them properly. And we wonder why we're in this mess?..................

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                              #15
                              Ok, for starters, list their sponsors and products you suggest boycotting and names and addresses to write to.

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