(Possible) Battle Plan re The disgusting parasites that 'Claim' to own us.

[red g]

PLEASE stop posting SOME words in CAPITALS as it's really ANNOYING.

We're all perfectly able to understand the emphasis of what you're saying without you having to used the Caps Lock button.

On the other hand, a bit more punctuation would be most welcome.

yes but it GETS the POINT across

[red g]

What about what I said about Kop Holdings? Is that possible? If so I think somehow FORCING it's separation from the club is the way to expose and possibly financially cripple H & G in one blow. Any views on this? Or if it's possible, How?..............

with DIFFICULTY

[swishtz]

Swishtz you said ''I suggest you spend this weekend putting a plan together and returning on Monday with it.''

Well it took me longer than a week due to baby Birthday/Illness related complications and it's FAR from complete but.........Here's a start. I don't have the names of Hicks separate (i.e. other than himself - business partners) but what he Does have, I've noticed are a LOT of companies involved with, owned by/led by or otherwise stemming from himself and his family name - I believe at present there are Six to be precise that I've managed to find thus far; These are EACH made to look like a seperate entity legally; Although I'm unsure if they actually are That independent from one another because (as stated below) they are all apparently under the umbrella of one particular organisation amongst their number;

Hicks Holdings
Hicks Sports Group
Hicks Sports Marketing
Hicks Equity Partners
Hicks Real Estate Partners
Hicks Trans American Partners

Many of their names speak for themselves (i.e. Sports Group, Sports Marketing, Equity etc) although I'm not to certain what Hicks Trans American Partners do. Anyway you asked for meat on the bone - something/Someone to attack.........There you go. Start HERE with the man himself and all his works/his OWN companies and organisations - Maybe we can't get to him personally through Liverpool - but that little lot? Might (and I stress MIGHT) just be a different story......Who knows? I don't know How we could get to them though. Maybe someone on this site with the know-how/right connections to SOS maybe could arrange something like a massive protest email or a deliberate hack or something that would crash the servers at the websites of these groups; Incidentally ALL of whom come under the umbrella of Hicks Holdings. A company of which Guess Who? is apparently ''founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer''.

Either way. IF the companies/entities can't be emailed seperately maybe their offices could be picketed or something by US fan groups or bombarded with tons of regular mail from EVERY angry LFC fan that we can lay our hands on in order to clog up their mail system, slow any regular mail they get and generally cause sheer chaos to their (doubtlessly) tight schedules and busy working lives. I believe that if we can start to cause REAL problems for these companies/entities, then Hicks Partners/Business Associates/Sponsors etc will get wind of it Very quickly. After this, I think it might just be time to go after said Business Associates etc and try to warn them off Hicks somehow thereby draining their support from him both publicly AND financially as well as removing any possible endorsements by them of his actions and disgusting lack of accountability as continuing to support him Could then damage them as well - they really WON'T want that I think.

I believe when it comes to sponsors/associates and even business partners of Hicks - the power of the consumer/ the thought of losing the business of All those Liverpool fans and their families that are angry at what Hicks is doing MIGHT prove decisive in the end if used to threaten them properly - After all there are how many LFC fans in the world? Between 20 - 50 million odd I'm sure - That's a LOT of angry/p***ed off potential customers lost Just because their companies are supporting one conman no? I think when the time comes to go after Hicks associates/partners/sponsors etc - THAT is how the problem of disassociating them from him should be attacked. With the power of numbers and the damage they could cause by withdrawing their custom. Something similar may work on RBS as well re the club while I'm on the subject - This part of the idea/plan Might work, it might not. I can't tell for sure, no-one can but what do I know? We'll have to wait and see however that is the best I could come up with for this part of it anyway - I hope someone finds it workable.

Doing all this may in the long run FORCE Hicks to lose assets like LFC quickly to make up losses (he's barely hanging on to some of the sporting assets anyway) and IF we remove some of the support that keeps him/his businesses propped up financially/public image wise - strip him of his defences one by one and render him from previously UNtouchable to ''touchable'', who knows what might happen? I doubt he'd be so stubborn about OUR price anyway - Put it that way. Either way, that's all in the future. For now I hope this is enough be going on with as a beginning. It is often said the longest journeys often start with a single step - I hope this is a single step towards something significant for LFC and it is the first of many more such steps...................

NB: There is also even a SCHOOL named after him in Texas - the ''Tom Hicks Elementary School'' in Frisco? Think you might want to do something about getting someone to contact THEM and explain just what the benevolent individual they are named after is REALLY up to. Damage his public image and show the b*stard that he is NOT immune on home turf from our fans anger a bit more if you can somehow. I think doing so Might weaken his defences that little bit more and hasten towards us the happy day when they (and he) FINALLY crack under concerted pressure..........

NNB: Why not contact the fans of the Texas Rangers baseball team. They have EQUAL reason to us to hate Hicks as he's doing something similar on that side of the pond to what he's doing at Liverpool to Them - Only they are MUCH further down that road than us with bankruptcy proceedings, lawsuits, talk of legal seizures, insults, accusations and rebuttals flying all over the place there. Maybe some concerted attacks on Hicks from Rangers AND Liverpool fans could tip the balance even further towards cracking his defences and removing him from from BOTH clubs?. As I said, every bit of pressure we will put on can help and the Rangers fans can hit him where Liverpool fans (barring those who live in the US) cannot. It may be an option worth further exploring.......

NNNB: In addition to what's above you might want to look also at DirecTV, Gammaloy - an oil field rental outfit he acquired from his wife's family and Hicks Acquisition Company I, Inc. (HACI) through which his son effectively runs Resolute Energy Corporation (REN), an oil and gas firm that merged with it a few years back. Finally, there is also a number of firms that Hicks or his family are involved in including Chinese electronics firm, a landscaping materials company in the Midwestern US and a pet food firm in Argentina - None of whose names I know yet but I will endeavour to find for you if I can Swishtz. I'm not to sure if any of this little lot helps but I hope it does. As I said above, small steps at first.............

Errr if you had'nt noticed I have been taking the piss out of you, the fact that you have written all this madness is to be honest, verging on serial killer crazy !

[Redshadow]

Oh I knew Swishtz - I knew to well about your childish, infantile and pathetic attempt to take the rise out of me but unlike YOU I actually care about our club enough to TRY and attack these f*ckers where it hurts them - In their pockets and by damaging in any way possible the SOURCES of their own money that is allowing them to cling on here or to spook them by targeting their own businesses into leaving us. You see I believe you my friend are nothing but a perfect example of what I spoke of in an earlier post on here - Someone whose so scared of the possibilities of what MIGHT happen should we REALLY go after those b*stards properly (as in attacking Anything that might hurt them) that you would Never have the guts to do anything that could really damage them.

Protests? Banners? Angry E-mails? Fine - you'll do ANY number of those but Real, targeted action that would actually damage Hicks and Gillette themselves? Forget it - Typical of someone living in the UK in this day and age actually (NOTHING like the French who REALLY let people know when they're unhappy - their governments Listen to protest as they know they'll be toppled if they don't) but HERE? As evidenced by you. SO many of us are now happy to protest march/make noise/APPEAR to be doing something, even when we're patently NOT - I don't think we've had a full on 'fight the power' style REAL showdown with our own government since 2001 or before that 1990. No wonder they're so arrogant. Anyhow, REAL change, committing action in the RIGHT places to FORCE that change? Forget it - That's a whole different ball game and FAR to scary isn't it Swishtz? Oh yes, and by responding as you have to me after your earlier post on here? You proved my case for me. You never expected me to respond did you? And certainly not like THAT? Fact is mate, I think you along with a number of others posters I've seen on various forums don't have the balls to actually go through with anything I suggested and attack them properly DO you? And if your going to say you do? Then go on, prove me wrong.............

And if you ARE going to prove me wrong? Here's another list of Hicks & Gillette's companies/subsidiaries/businesses kindly provided by Yank_LFC_Fan from another forum; Now isn't THAT a surprise eh Swishtz? - Someone who actually LIVES there is thinking along the same lines as me in attacking those two? Maybe, just maybe my ideas DID have merit after all? Anyway; Peruse THIS little lot at your leisure and again thanks to the provider;

''The following is a list of companies,corporations and holdings owned or partially owned by Hicks, Gillette and other partners.

Gillette:

* Petaluma Poultry - natural and organic chicken products
* Snowball Foods - food processor of turkey and chicken products
* Kings Delight - food processor of turkey and chicken products
* B3R Country Meats - processes fresh and frozen natural beef
* Coleman Natural Products - processes fresh and frozen natural pork products and lamb
* Gerhard’s Napa Valley Sausage - a producer of gourmet sausage products made primarily from poultry

Gillett's other current business interests include:

* Northland Services Inc. - a marine transportation company
* Great Northern Bark and Sierra Organics - landscaping and gardening products company
* Summit Automotive Partners, an auto dealership group
* Booth Creek Ski Holdings Inc

He also owns the Montreal Canadiens and has NASCAR Interests.

Tom Hicks:

Hicks is really tough. He is shielded by so many different holding companies and firms and venture firms and marketing groups I cant seem to pin down any solid company he actually owns.

The following are his "Groups and Holdings":

# Hicks Holdings
# Hicks Sports Group
# Hicks Sports Marketing
# Hicks Equity Partners
# Hicks Real Estate Partners
# Hicks Trans American Partners

With them come numerous smaller corporations all under various names so getting any real solid company name is almost Impossible. Next to the Texas Rangers which I believe he still has a stake in and Liverpool I cant find a company. So If anyone knows any different then let me know.''


In addition? THIS was provided by Redebbs from the same site;

''Been doing a bit of research re our delightful Mr Hicks.

Seems Hicks Holdings holds all sorts of contracts with the military in the States.

Namely Defence contract management, geospatial intelligence, military health schemes, intelligence, security, finance and administration, missiles, electronics, engineering corp, education and the Washington defence headquarters.

I guess these contracts were given as part of his support to the Bush administration but losing these contracts could be catastrophic for his empire. Maybe bombarding the Obama administration with his nefarious dealings might have an effect when these are up for renewal.''

Taken together with what I put about Hicks. Surely there's enough here now for some concerned LFC fans/SOS or someone to put in train SOME sort of action aimed at H & G via those names listed on this page? As I said before, the smallest steps can lead to the longest of journeys - but you have to TAKE those steps first - I'm willing to and others clearly also want to/have the courage to try - Do YOU Swishtz? Let's wait and see shall we? Go on, surprise me. Surely you've got enough what did you call it ''meat on the bone'' to be going on with THERE? That is, if you ever meant to even TRY at all. I think a bit of action in the directions pointed out above if correctly timed might just give even those two limpets a timely shove. The only question now is do we have the courage to carry out this action? Time will tell with those f*ckers (H & G) as it always does. Either way, I suspect we'll have our answer soon enough....................

[swishtz]

[Redshadow]

Another idea here from Guyko21 on another forum that is worth some consideration;

"The lack of privacy in sports is something that my family and I aren't willing to undertake any longer. We'll always be big fans but we want our privacy back."

As others have said, this is the chink in his armour. We need to hound, harass, badger, annoy, humiliate Hicks at every turn, wherever he is - this includes his employees, associates and family.

That's NOT to say we actually threaten him - that would be against the law and therefore wrong - but if denying him his privacy makes him "FEEL" threatened, well, we can't help how he (and Gillett for that matter) "FEEL", can we?''

There you go - simple; Even YOU could do that Swishtz - Just find people/employees CLOSE to Tom Hicks and absolutely BOMBARD them with emails/letters/complaints the LOT. If Hicks has a chink in his armour - it is THIS. Use it....................

[Fierce]

This is all very admirable mate, the fact that you're coming up with all these idea's is great.

Can I ask if you've actually put any of your ideas into action though?

[Stanbull]

Another idea here from Guyko21 on another forum that is worth some consideration;

"The lack of privacy in sports is something that my family and I aren't willing to undertake any longer. We'll always be big fans but we want our privacy back."

As others have said, this is the chink in his armour. We need to hound, harass, badger, annoy, humiliate Hicks at every turn, wherever he is - this includes his employees, associates and family.

That's NOT to say we actually threaten him - that would be against the law and therefore wrong - but if denying him his privacy makes him "FEEL" threatened, well, we can't help how he (and Gillett for that matter) "FEEL", can we?''


There you go - simple; Even YOU could do that Swishtz - Just find people/employees CLOSE to Tom Hicks and absolutely BOMBARD them with emails/letters/complaints the LOT. If Hicks has a chink in his armour - it is THIS. Use it....................

YOU could SEND him letters THREATENING him with writing in CAPITAL LETTERS if they don't sell up

[Pablo]

YOU could SEND him letters THREATENING him with writing in CAPITAL LETTERS if they don't sell up

[Slinky Skills]

Oh I knew Swishtz - I knew to well about your childish, infantile and pathetic attempt to take the rise out of me but unlike YOU I actually care about our club enough to TRY and attack these f*ckers where it hurts them - In their pockets and by damaging in any way possible the SOURCES of their own money that is allowing them to cling on here or to spook them by targeting their own businesses into leaving us. You see I believe you my friend are nothing but a perfect example of what I spoke of in an earlier post on here - Someone whose so scared of the possibilities of what MIGHT happen should we REALLY go after those b*stards properly (as in attacking Anything that might hurt them) that you would Never have the guts to do anything that could really damage them.

Protests? Banners? Angry E-mails? Fine - you'll do ANY number of those but Real, targeted action that would actually damage Hicks and Gillette themselves? Forget it - Typical of someone living in the UK in this day and age actually (NOTHING like the French who REALLY let people know when they're unhappy - their governments Listen to protest as they know they'll be toppled if they don't) but HERE? As evidenced by you. SO many of us are now happy to protest march/make noise/APPEAR to be doing something, even when we're patently NOT - I don't think we've had a full on 'fight the power' style REAL showdown with our own government since 2001 or before that 1990. No wonder they're so arrogant. Anyhow, REAL change, committing action in the RIGHT places to FORCE that change? Forget it - That's a whole different ball game and FAR to scary isn't it Swishtz? Oh yes, and by responding as you have to me after your earlier post on here? You proved my case for me. You never expected me to respond did you? And certainly not like THAT? Fact is mate, I think you along with a number of others posters I've seen on various forums don't have the balls to actually go through with anything I suggested and attack them properly DO you? And if your going to say you do? Then go on, prove me wrong.............

And if you ARE going to prove me wrong? Here's another list of Hicks & Gillette's companies/subsidiaries/businesses kindly provided by Yank_LFC_Fan from another forum; Now isn't THAT a surprise eh Swishtz? - Someone who actually LIVES there is thinking along the same lines as me in attacking those two? Maybe, just maybe my ideas DID have merit after all? Anyway; Peruse THIS little lot at your leisure and again thanks to the provider;

''The following is a list of companies,corporations and holdings owned or partially owned by Hicks, Gillette and other partners.

Gillette:

* Petaluma Poultry - natural and organic chicken products
* Snowball Foods - food processor of turkey and chicken products
* Kings Delight - food processor of turkey and chicken products
* B3R Country Meats - processes fresh and frozen natural beef
* Coleman Natural Products - processes fresh and frozen natural pork products and lamb
* Gerhard’s Napa Valley Sausage - a producer of gourmet sausage products made primarily from poultry

Gillett's other current business interests include:

* Northland Services Inc. - a marine transportation company
* Great Northern Bark and Sierra Organics - landscaping and gardening products company
* Summit Automotive Partners, an auto dealership group
* Booth Creek Ski Holdings Inc

He also owns the Montreal Canadiens and has NASCAR Interests.

Tom Hicks:

Hicks is really tough. He is shielded by so many different holding companies and firms and venture firms and marketing groups I cant seem to pin down any solid company he actually owns.

The following are his "Groups and Holdings":

# Hicks Holdings
# Hicks Sports Group
# Hicks Sports Marketing
# Hicks Equity Partners
# Hicks Real Estate Partners
# Hicks Trans American Partners

With them come numerous smaller corporations all under various names so getting any real solid company name is almost Impossible. Next to the Texas Rangers which I believe he still has a stake in and Liverpool I cant find a company. So If anyone knows any different then let me know.''


In addition? THIS was provided by Redebbs from the same site;

''Been doing a bit of research re our delightful Mr Hicks.

Seems Hicks Holdings holds all sorts of contracts with the military in the States.

Namely Defence contract management, geospatial intelligence, military health schemes, intelligence, security, finance and administration, missiles, electronics, engineering corp, education and the Washington defence headquarters.

I guess these contracts were given as part of his support to the Bush administration but losing these contracts could be catastrophic for his empire. Maybe bombarding the Obama administration with his nefarious dealings might have an effect when these are up for renewal.''

Taken together with what I put about Hicks. Surely there's enough here now for some concerned LFC fans/SOS or someone to put in train SOME sort of action aimed at H & G via those names listed on this page? As I said before, the smallest steps can lead to the longest of journeys - but you have to TAKE those steps first - I'm willing to and others clearly also want to/have the courage to try - Do YOU Swishtz? Let's wait and see shall we? Go on, surprise me. Surely you've got enough what did you call it ''meat on the bone'' to be going on with THERE? That is, if you ever meant to even TRY at all. I think a bit of action in the directions pointed out above if correctly timed might just give even those two limpets a timely shove. The only question now is do we have the courage to carry out this action? Time will tell with those f*ckers (H & G) as it always does. Either way, I suspect we'll have our answer soon enough....................

You seriously have way too much time on your hands.

[Redshadow]

Maybe I DO have to much time on my hands Slinkyskills but at least I'm Trying - Trying to find something (ANYTHING) a chink in their armour somewhere that we, the fans via SOS or email or whatever can attack and REALLY p*ss them off/drive them into Wanting to go. When idiots like Swishtz appear and mock me they just make themselves look like fools by Proving my argument that we're to divided/They (and many like them) are to fearful to try anything against H & G; Hence the fact they're still here. And really when abominations like THIS below appear in the club store do you blame me for wanting to fight them every inch of the way?

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Well, answer that if you can - Do you Really think there's ANY doubt whatsoever we HAVE to drive them out after THAT? I don't. I hope no-one on here does either........ In this particular respect BTW; I think maybe doing a poster campaign against them in Liverpool (or if we dare in TEXAS as close to Hick's home as possible) about THIS might drive the fcuker further to the exit door and ignite the national media against him as let's face it if THAT doesn't, nothing will - Perhaps something along the lines of a picture of him and Gillette either side of a picture of those particular shirts? A poster/billboard with something like

''Liverpool Football Club RIP

Born 1892

Died 2010

Murdered by Corporate greed'' Maybe?

Because - make no mistake - this is a HUGE error on their part - Hell SHOULD rain down on Hicks & Gillette's so called 'ownership' of our club after THIS and if it doesn't? That in itself will be an utter disgrace and a true indictment of our supports lethargy and inaction. This is because like the crass insults once delivered by Hicks Jr back in January, It Could galvanise support/the media/ ex-players/the lot, against them but we Need to act on it NOW to damage them with it Before they release yet another meaningless ''lessons have be learned'' style pathetic excuse for an apology.

Oh and to answer your implied question Slinky Skills - Yes I DO indeed have a lot of time on my hands but as I spend a lot of said time on crutches being partially Disabled and the rest looking after my 1 year old son whose the light of my life by a LONG, long way are you surprised? I can't attend protests etc physically and contribute as much as I'd dearly LOVE to; So therefore? I'm forced to act in others ways to help fight the b*stards as much as I can; To this end, I'm Trying to fight the fcukers who 'own' us with my mind and ideas as much as I'm physically able to hence THIS thread and lots like it on many LFC sites/forums all across the Internet in the hope that SOMEONE will listen and hopefully find a weakness in those two via these ideas I'm putting forward (and others like me. I don't really care what Insults I do or don't get from idiots who don't understand me - All I know is I grew up supporting our great club when it exemplified the word 'Great' I saw us win things right, left and centre in my youth;

I saw us fall aways a little under Souness and Evans and BEGIN to recover under Ged Houllier and Rafa' and to even win Some trophies again - I'd like my son to have that chance to When he's old enough - What I do NOT want courtesy of those two vampiric leeches is for my boy to end up supporting another Leeds United and THAT my friend is my motivation - I want my club to still BE a club and not a shell by the time my son is old enough to enjoy it as I have done down the years. Far as we've fallen this year - I'd at least like us to have the CHANCE to recover and with those two in place? We've two chances of that happening - None and Less than nothing hence the Need for them to go and go NOW.

And if to do this, it takes helping drive out/destroy those American fcukers at our club in the process for that to happen? Then so be it. It's time (way PAST time actually) they were driven out of Anfield forever (preferably bankrupt and penniless). Anyway, the sooner, the better and the more I can contribute however I can - I will do. I don't think it will be That long now anyway - Hicks is at last showing signs of being driven to the VERY edge - Now we just have to shove him firmly over and stand on his fingers to Stop him coming back as it were. I've a feeling That will happen rather soon as well if the pressure carries on rising on him at it's recent rate of knots. As I said above - THAT can't happen soon enough - The sooner, the better for LFC and all who love her..........