(Possible) Battle Plan re The disgusting parasites that 'Claim' to own us.

[calvoboy]

See? I KNEW it. There you go - Again. I wrote down what I thought earlier about just WHAT we should do about those odious creatures sucking Anfield dry earlier - It was a concise plan with some REAL ideas that might actually hit them where it hurts - in their pockets and FORCE some change and what happened? AGAIN I was ignored - I don't why I bother, I really don't. Anyway, for one last time in the VAIN hope that someone MIGHT listen I'll recopy it shall I? In the hope, I don't know maybe that someone on here or SOMEONE (maybe from SOS) might read and see WHAT I'm trying to say - I'll present it for your perusal once more - I hope someone reads it THIS time and actually LISTENS but I doubt it. Anyway for the VERY last time on here - Here is my ideas on just WHAT we should do to shatter the paralysis of the stalemate gripping Anfield under those two (a stalemate called 'their ownership' BTW). THIS is what I put earlier, just below.

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Hope you like it despite it's length but SOMEONE read it this time please? Then at least I'll know I've not wasted my time - It's blindingly obvious what we SHOULD do about those two and I've tried to list just WHAT there. As I said above - I HOPE someone listens this time but I don't care if they do or not. It's the very LAST time I'll post anything re fighting the owners as at the moment, it seems like no-one ever does............................

This'll mean nothing to most if not all on here, but:

Dargonberath? Is that you?

[Helios Creed]

Nope - I am 31, was born on July 18th 1978 and have one son of my own whose the shining light in my life - the absolute joy of my days, came as a COMPLETE surprise and who turns 1 on Monday (17th May).

you must have noticed that your missus had put on a lot of weight?

[Redshadow]

Swishtz you said ''I suggest you spend this weekend putting a plan together and returning on Monday with it.''

Well it took me longer than a week due to baby Birthday/Illness related complications and it's FAR from complete but.........Here's a start. I don't have the names of Hicks separate (i.e. other than himself - business partners) but what he Does have, I've noticed are a LOT of companies involved with, owned by/led by or otherwise stemming from himself and his family name - I believe at present there are Six to be precise that I've managed to find thus far; These are EACH made to look like a seperate entity legally; Although I'm unsure if they actually are That independent from one another because (as stated below) they are all apparently under the umbrella of one particular organisation amongst their number;

Hicks Holdings
Hicks Sports Group
Hicks Sports Marketing
Hicks Equity Partners
Hicks Real Estate Partners
Hicks Trans American Partners

Many of their names speak for themselves (i.e. Sports Group, Sports Marketing, Equity etc) although I'm not to certain what Hicks Trans American Partners do. Anyway you asked for meat on the bone - something/Someone to attack.........There you go. Start HERE with the man himself and all his works/his OWN companies and organisations - Maybe we can't get to him personally through Liverpool - but that little lot? Might (and I stress MIGHT) just be a different story......Who knows? I don't know How we could get to them though. Maybe someone on this site with the know-how/right connections to SOS maybe could arrange something like a massive protest email or a deliberate hack or something that would crash the servers at the websites of these groups; Incidentally ALL of whom come under the umbrella of Hicks Holdings. A company of which Guess Who? is apparently ''founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer''.

Either way. IF the companies/entities can't be emailed seperately maybe their offices could be picketed or something by US fan groups or bombarded with tons of regular mail from EVERY angry LFC fan that we can lay our hands on in order to clog up their mail system, slow any regular mail they get and generally cause sheer chaos to their (doubtlessly) tight schedules and busy working lives. I believe that if we can start to cause REAL problems for these companies/entities, then Hicks Partners/Business Associates/Sponsors etc will get wind of it Very quickly. After this, I think it might just be time to go after said Business Associates etc and try to warn them off Hicks somehow thereby draining their support from him both publicly AND financially as well as removing any possible endorsements by them of his actions and disgusting lack of accountability as continuing to support him Could then damage them as well - they really WON'T want that I think.

I believe when it comes to sponsors/associates and even business partners of Hicks - the power of the consumer/ the thought of losing the business of All those Liverpool fans and their families that are angry at what Hicks is doing MIGHT prove decisive in the end if used to threaten them properly - After all there are how many LFC fans in the world? Between 20 - 50 million odd I'm sure - That's a LOT of angry/p***ed off potential customers lost Just because their companies are supporting one conman no? I think when the time comes to go after Hicks associates/partners/sponsors etc - THAT is how the problem of disassociating them from him should be attacked. With the power of numbers and the damage they could cause by withdrawing their custom. Something similar may work on RBS as well re the club while I'm on the subject - This part of the idea/plan Might work, it might not. I can't tell for sure, no-one can but what do I know? We'll have to wait and see however that is the best I could come up with for this part of it anyway - I hope someone finds it workable.

Doing all this may in the long run FORCE Hicks to lose assets like LFC quickly to make up losses (he's barely hanging on to some of the sporting assets anyway) and IF we remove some of the support that keeps him/his businesses propped up financially/public image wise - strip him of his defences one by one and render him from previously UNtouchable to ''touchable'', who knows what might happen? I doubt he'd be so stubborn about OUR price anyway - Put it that way. Either way, that's all in the future. For now I hope this is enough be going on with as a beginning. It is often said the longest journeys often start with a single step - I hope this is a single step towards something significant for LFC and it is the first of many more such steps...................

NB: There is also even a SCHOOL named after him in Texas - the ''Tom Hicks Elementary School'' in Frisco? Think you might want to do something about getting someone to contact THEM and explain just what the benevolent individual they are named after is REALLY up to. Damage his public image and show the b*stard that he is NOT immune on home turf from our fans anger a bit more if you can somehow. I think doing so Might weaken his defences that little bit more and hasten towards us the happy day when they (and he) FINALLY crack under concerted pressure..........

NNB: Why not contact the fans of the Texas Rangers baseball team. They have EQUAL reason to us to hate Hicks as he's doing something similar on that side of the pond to what he's doing at Liverpool to Them - Only they are MUCH further down that road than us with bankruptcy proceedings, lawsuits, talk of legal seizures, insults, accusations and rebuttals flying all over the place there. Maybe some concerted attacks on Hicks from Rangers AND Liverpool fans could tip the balance even further towards cracking his defences and removing him from from BOTH clubs?. As I said, every bit of pressure we will put on can help and the Rangers fans can hit him where Liverpool fans (barring those who live in the US) cannot. It may be an option worth further exploring.......

NNNB: In addition to what's above you might want to look also at DirecTV, Gammaloy - an oil field rental outfit he acquired from his wife's family and Hicks Acquisition Company I, Inc. (HACI) through which his son effectively runs Resolute Energy Corporation (REN), an oil and gas firm that merged with it a few years back. Finally, there is also a number of firms that Hicks or his family are involved in including Chinese electronics firm, a landscaping materials company in the Midwestern US and a pet food firm in Argentina - None of whose names I know yet but I will endeavour to find for you if I can Swishtz. I'm not to sure if any of this little lot helps but I hope it does. As I said above, small steps at first.............

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This'll mean nothing to most if not all on here, but:

Dargonberath? Is that you?

WTF? Please elaborate, who or what the **** is dargonberath?

[SB]

Now this thread makes sense !

Oh it does indeed


I see a clinic full of cynics
Who want to twist the peoples' wrist
They're watching every move we make
We're all included on the list

The lunatics have taken over the asylum
The lunatics have taken over the asylum

No nuclear the cowboy told us
And who am i to disagree
'Cos when the madman flips the switch
The nuclear will go for me

The lunatics have taken over the asylum
The lunatics have taken over the asylum

I've seen the faces of starvation
But i just can not see the points
'Cos there's so much food here today
That no one wants to take away

The lunatics have taken over the asylum
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
The lunatics have taken over the asylum - take away my right to choose
The lunatics have taken over the asylum - take away my point of view
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
The lunatics have taken over the asylum - take away my dignity,
Take these things away from me
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
The lunatics have taken over the asylum - take away my family,
Take away the right to speak
The lunatics have taken over the asylum take away my point of view,
Take away my right to choose

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[calvoboy]

WTF? Please elaborate, who or what the **** is dargonberath?

Someone with a very very similar style of posting on another forum I frequent - overly sincere epic length posts, randomly misspelt or capitalised words throughout, lots of elaborate theories and philosophy-lite phrases thrown into the mix.....odd to think that there might be two of them out there in the internet ether...

[Redshadow]

No Calvoboy - I'm Not Dargobreath and yes there ARE two (probably more) of us online who write like that. Anyway. On another note I've just thought of a possible line of attack on H & G and what MIGHT be their weak point in their ownership of Liverpool - That is the company 'Kop Holdings' they own us through which BTW, I apologise for failing to include in the list of associated companies of Hicks that I produced last night. Now I'm not to sure how easy it is for the club itself to go under due to the failures of Kop Holdings. My understanding is that none of the club's assetts were secured against any of the loans taken by Kop Holdings. The debt leveraged against the club is much less than the club is worth and so there is protection there.

If the banks were to call in the loans taken in the name of Kop Holdings then G&H would be forced to find cash somewhere and at a much quicker rate than they have to now. Obvious assets for them to sell would be LFC but the club itself wouldn't be under threat of administration as it is protected from the obligations of Kop Holdings. If Kop Holdings were forced under then G&H stand no chance of walking away with anything in their pockets. I could be completely and utterly wrong mind, but IF I'm not then how about we petition RBS AGAIN as we did before but THIS time put REAL pressure on them to foreclose on Kop Holdings as THAT is where the majority of our debt lies. It may appear unattainable at present but I think our goal should be maybe to FORCE Kop Holdings under as the minute that happens? Not only will H & G suddenly owe LOTS of money to the banks that they CAN'T make from selling club assetts without ruining their chance of a sale but they may also then HAVE to sell the club to cover their debts and at nothing LIKE the price they would like.

Perhaps forcing Kop Holdings under is the key to all this and THE chink in their armour that we need. Since without it? H & G's protection from the damage they've done to LFC would disappear in an instant and THEY would be the ones liable for/exposed to the debt they've run up. Basically IF Kop Holdings went under then there protection/invulnerability to all matters debts and probably within weeks their very Ownership of Liverpool FC would vanish without trace. I think it could at least be worth a try (trying to force RBS to foreclose on Kop Holdings) - you never know....................

[Fierce]

If we start shooting members of their respective families, just minor family members first, they'd soon get the hint. It could even begin with a dog or a cat or whatever

Move on up to cousins, if the sale price isn't substantially reduced then get serious and take out a sister or 2

Still want £600m? Let's go hardcore. Where do their grandchildren go to school?


DISCLAIMER: I am not a mentalist really, just in case the FBI are monitoring anything. I promise I won't kill anyone. I don't even own a gun, honest

PS. Lemon ****ing Chiffon?

[calvoboy]

No Calvoboy - I'm Not Dargobreath and yes there ARE two (probably more) of us online who write like that.

Fair do's. Wasn't criticising in any way, it was just that the similarities in style are striking. As you were...

[Redshadow]

Why don't SOS take them to court? Sue them for breach of contract and damages over EVERYTHING they've done, said and (most importantly) SPENT since they came to Anfield? After all according to Moores in his infamous self justification docume......ahem Letter in the Times - Wasn't it a case when he sold that ''The new owners had also given written assurances — which were not followed through?'' And therefore that ''Ultimately, the deal we signed up to was laid out in unambiguous terms in the share offer document. It is a matter of fact that the document pledged there would be no debt placed on the club, and significant funds would be made available for investment in the squad and the new stadium. I signed up for that — not money?''

If that truly IS the case therefore, then somewhere - there WILL exist WRITTEN proof of H & G's not just bad faith in throwing Moores a line as they did but also of their outright LIES and thus, should there not be grounds on which to take legal action to recover damages for breach of contract AND deliberate misrepresentation of the facts by them to secure the purchase OF the club or indeed is it possible that such action could be taken to remove them from ownership of the club due to having actually DOCUMENTED lies about their intentions for the club which might just fail them the ''fit and proper persons'' test of recent newspaper/''not strong enough'' fame? That little lot alone names but three grounds by which H & G might just be challenged on all this but who knows? There may yet be more. Isn't it just possible that by pledging what they did on PAPER that they've laid themselves open to challenges like that I suggested above on a number of grounds? You'd think so wouldn't you? Maybe H & G AREN'T quite as invulnerable legally and immune to ANY comeback as they like to think - Maybe, just maybe THEY are the ones who fcuked up ROYALLY by putting what they did down ON PAPER about pledging not to load the club with debt AND invest in the team.

If all that David Moores said IS true, then H & G might just have scored an own goal, they may Just have handed us a route down which to attack them in terms they DO understand. Legal ones. If any of this is remotely possible - I hope that not only will SOS investigate the possibility of such legal action but also that H & G will be getting a VERY nasty surprise in the near future. After all, it's the LEAST those two fcukers deserve...............

[Kenneth]

Why don't SOS take them to court? Sue them for breach of contract and damages over EVERYTHING they've done, said and (most importantly) SPENT since they came to Anfield? After all according to Moores in his infamous self justification docume......ahem Letter in the Times - Wasn't it a case when he sold that ''The new owners had also given written assurances — which were not followed through?'' And therefore that ''Ultimately, the deal we signed up to was laid out in unambiguous terms in the share offer document. It is a matter of fact that the document pledged there would be no debt placed on the club, and significant funds would be made available for investment in the squad and the new stadium. I signed up for that — not money?''

If that truly IS the case therefore, then somewhere - there WILL exist WRITTEN proof of H & G's not just bad faith in throwing Moores a line as they did but also of their outright LIES and thus, should there not be grounds on which to take legal action to recover damages for breach of contract AND deliberate misrepresentation of the facts by them to secure the purchase OF the club or indeed is it possible that such action could be taken to remove them from ownership of the club due to having actually DOCUMENTED lies about their intentions for the club which might just fail them the ''fit and proper persons'' test of recent newspaper/''not strong enough'' fame? That little lot alone names but three grounds by which H & G might just be challenged on all this but who knows? There may yet be more. Isn't it just possible that by pledging what they did on PAPER that they've laid themselves open to challenges like that I suggested above on a number of grounds? You'd think so wouldn't you? Maybe H & G AREN'T quite as invulnerable legally and immune to ANY comeback as they like to think - Maybe, just maybe THEY are the ones who fcuked up ROYALLY by putting what they did down ON PAPER about pledging not to load the club with debt AND invest in the team.

If all that David Moores said IS true, then H & G might just have scored an own goal, they may Just have handed us a route down which to attack them in terms they DO understand. Legal ones. If any of this is remotely possible - I hope that not only will SOS investigate the possibility of such legal action but also that H & G will be getting a VERY nasty surprise in the near future. After all, it's the LEAST those two fcukers deserve...............

I was looking for full stop to end the bolding but couldn't find one.

WHat are the damages though. The only people who could claim would be shareholders who sold, and they got the best price anyway so I don't see a financial loss that they need compensating for.

[Redshadow]

Fierce - ''Still want £600m? Let's go hardcore. Where do their grandchildren go to school?''

Probably at the school named after King Leech himself in Frisco, Texas............

NB: The REALLY sad thing is? I can actually see that happening without the slightest doubt at all.

NNB: Vermillion - I didn't mean the 'go after his Grandkids' thing - I meant Hicks sending HIS Grandkids to a school named after him - Why? Did you think I meant the first one? Even I'M not that stupid...........

[Vermilion]

Fierce - ''Still want £600m? Let's go hardcore. Where do their grandchildren go to school?''

Probably at the school named after King Leech himself in Frisco, Texas............

NB: The REALLY sad thing is? I can actually see that happening without the slightest doubt at all.

Without the slightest doubt at all ? really ? Not unless the person is mentaly deranged. Don't see a normal fan going that far.

edit. although, reading your posts...

[James P]

Why don't SOS take them to court? Sue them for breach of contract and damages over EVERYTHING they've done, said and (most importantly) SPENT since they came to Anfield? After all according to Moores in his infamous self justification docume......ahem Letter in the Times - Wasn't it a case when he sold that ''The new owners had also given written assurances — which were not followed through?'' And therefore that ''Ultimately, the deal we signed up to was laid out in unambiguous terms in the share offer document. It is a matter of fact that the document pledged there would be no debt placed on the club, and significant funds would be made available for investment in the squad and the new stadium. I signed up for that — not money?''

If that truly IS the case therefore, then somewhere - there WILL exist WRITTEN proof of H & G's not just bad faith in throwing Moores a line as they did but also of their outright LIES and thus, should there not be grounds on which to take legal action to recover damages for breach of contract AND deliberate misrepresentation of the facts by them to secure the purchase OF the club or indeed is it possible that such action could be taken to remove them from ownership of the club due to having actually DOCUMENTED lies about their intentions for the club which might just fail them the ''fit and proper persons'' test of recent newspaper/''not strong enough'' fame? That little lot alone names but three grounds by which H & G might just be challenged on all this but who knows? There may yet be more. Isn't it just possible that by pledging what they did on PAPER that they've laid themselves open to challenges like that I suggested above on a number of grounds? You'd think so wouldn't you? Maybe H & G AREN'T quite as invulnerable legally and immune to ANY comeback as they like to think - Maybe, just maybe THEY are the ones who fcuked up ROYALLY by putting what they did down ON PAPER about pledging not to load the club with debt AND invest in the team.

If all that David Moores said IS true, then H & G might just have scored an own goal, they may Just have handed us a route down which to attack them in terms they DO understand. Legal ones. If any of this is remotely possible - I hope that not only will SOS investigate the possibility of such legal action but also that H & G will be getting a VERY nasty surprise in the near future. After all, it's the LEAST those two fcukers deserve...............

PLEASE stop posting SOME words in CAPITALS as it's really ANNOYING.

We're all perfectly able to understand the emphasis of what you're saying without you having to used the Caps Lock button.

On the other hand, a bit more punctuation would be most welcome.

[Redshadow]

What about what I said about Kop Holdings? Is that possible? If so I think somehow FORCING it's separation from the club is the way to expose and possibly financially cripple H & G in one blow. Any views on this? Or if it's possible, How?..............