Lucas - I want to stay at Liverpool

[Mattshark]

Matt the stalker with his tedious bollocks again

Don't use logical fallacies to make a point then, it is stupid and I know you are not.

[Craig_H]

Don't use logical fallacies to make a point then, it is stupid and I know you are not.

You're being stupid though matt - where did i say 'because the majority think it, it must be true' ?

Oh - i didnt, did i? Nope.

So stop putting words in my mouth - it's stupid.

[Mike]

Although Masscherano was excellenent at times in the latter part of the season I think that taking everything into account over the course of the season Lucas was the better player, his attitude was inspiring.

Mascherano is the captain of Argentina so obviously, technically you would expect him to be more developed and his mind set to be more mature then that of Lucas. Fact is that Lucas stepped up when Mascherano wasn't either interested or was still disillilusioned by missing out onhis dream move to Barca.

If Mascherano had of got player of the season it would have been a travesty imo.

Spot on

[Mattshark]

You're being stupid though matt - where did i say 'because the majority think it, it must be true' ?

Oh - i didnt, did i? Nope.

So stop putting words in my mouth - it's stupid.

I'm not, you said

The opinion of the majority of Liverpool fans, judging by various player of the season polls on various sites.


In fact, i'd say it's as close as an opinion can get to 'fact' as there is

In regards to Lucas' - Mascherano's performances last season, which is incorrect and fallacious.

And it is something you have used as a method of argument previously.

[Craig_H]

I'm not, you said

In regards to Lucas' - Mascherano's performances last season, which is incorrect and fallacious.

And it is something you have used as a method of argument previously.

What is incorrect about it?

The opinion of the majority of Liverpool fans, judging by various player of the season polls on various sites. - this is correct - the majority of Liverpool fans who voted on player of the season polls across several LFC forums DID vote Mascherano above Lucas.


In fact, i'd say it's as close as an opinion can get to 'fact' as there is - this is correct - I WOULD say that it's as close as an opinion can get to fact, as there is.

Once again, you're talking bollocks. So kindly stop.

[red g]

I do recall it being a run in joke that lucas was top of the mom league as well almost become a default player to pick....not for his outstanding contribution and many were baffled at the time.

[red g]

1. Mascherano..................10 first..........9 second.......7 third........84 points
3. Lucas.............................4 first...........8 second.......5 third.........49 points



both played 45 games.....
masher MOM on average every 4 and a half games.
Lucas MOM 4 games all season

[Mattshark]

What is incorrect about it?

The opinion of the majority of Liverpool fans, judging by various player of the season polls on various sites. - this is correct - the majority of Liverpool fans who voted on player of the season polls across several LFC forums DID vote Mascherano above Lucas.


In fact, i'd say it's as close as an opinion can get to 'fact' as there is - this is correct - I WOULD say that it's as close as an opinion can get to fact, as there is.

Once again, you're talking bollocks. So kindly stop.

No Craig I am not, you were using it in context to what Mike said about Lucas' performances, you used logical fallacy to make a point, again.

[Gibbo]

Shouldn't the fact that we are being offered around 30 million for Macherano, and not even half that for Lucas sort of suggest who the better player is or was last season. Its not as if Lucas had a dire season but he isn't on a par with Macher.

However, it is fair play to Lucas for saying he wants to stay, which has rose him a few notches in my book.

[Craig_H]

No Craig I am not, you were using it in context to what Mike said about Lucas' performances, you used logical fallacy to make a point, again.

I was stating facts - Mascher WAS rated higher in LFC forums polls and i DO think it was about as close to a fact, as an opinion can be.

End of. Now you can stop following me round the forum like some kind of obsessive lovesick puppy.

[Mattshark]

I was stating facts - Mascher WAS rated higher in LFC forums polls and i DO think it was about as close to a fact, as an opinion can be.

End of. Now you can stop following me round the forum like some kind of obsessive lovesick puppy.

I'm not, I quoted you only on this thread and nowhere else. It seems you still don't understand the logical fallacy.
Mascher was high rated last season yes - but arguing that because more fans hold your viewpoint it gives it more credence is just plain wrong.

[Craig_H]

I'm not, I quoted you only on this thread and nowhere else. It seems you still don't understand the logical fallacy.
Mascher was high rated last season yes - but arguing that because more fans hold your viewpoint it gives it more credence is just plain wrong.

But i wasnt arguing that, you dullard

Where did i mention credence, where did i say that because more people hold that viewpoint, it is true? Show me where i actually said that.

But you cant, because i didnt.

I simply said it was the opinion of more Liverpool fans, that Mascherano had a better season than Lucas.

Nothing more and nothing less. And i certainly didnt mention of credence or anything to do with the value of my own viewpoint.

Now run along.

Before having the last word of course Go on - i know you wont be able to resist it.

[Mattshark]

But i wasnt arguing that, you dullard

Where did i mention credence, where did i say that because more people hold that viewpoint, it is true? Show me where i actually said that.

But you cant, because i didnt.

I simply said it was the opinion of more Liverpool fans, that Mascherano had a better season than Lucas.

Nothing more and nothing less. And i certainly didnt mention of credence or anything to do with the value of my own viewpoint.

Now run along.

Before having the last word of course Go on - i know you wont be able to resist it.

That because I hate it when people use logical fallacy to argue a point, it is plain ignorant

In fact, i'd say it's as close as an opinion can get to 'fact' as there is

then you added that bit making it argumentum ad populum, you are saying (even in your opinion) that him being more popular gives your opinion more weight (credence/makes it closer to a fact) and that is wrong. It is logical fallacy.

[Craig_H]

FLMAO. Knew you wouldnt be able to resist.

"In fact, i'd say it's as close as an opinion can get to 'fact' as there is"

See that bit in red? I'D SAY.

Am i not allowed to say? It's my opinion. Nowhere did i mention that because Mascher was highly rated, that it makes it true - i just said most people thought he was better than Lucas - which is a fact, they did.

Now how your last word and leave me alone.

[dww]

Christ on toast.

One day someone, somewhere on the internet will admit they are wrong and the universe will implode in shock.