Hodgson - No knee jerk reaction

[BobTheCharmer]

I have never heard of a team that sits back and don't press the opposition. When you sit back you press the opposition, it's just the way it is.

What is the point sitting back and not press the opposition? The point of the sitting back tactic is to press the opposition so they make mistakes and then use quick counter attacks against them.

It's all very weird.

So how come Fulham weren't like this then? I remember them being right in your face and giving you no time on the ball. I remember them playing some decent attacking football and scoring some good goals. Time is what is required. Not knee jerk reactions. It achieves little.

It seems everyone is going round finding quotes, articles, anything to back up their opinions that Roy is ****ing useless and everybody is lapping it up. Its madness.

I see absolutely nothing that is similar in our style of play so far that Fulham have had for the past 2 seasons. Nothing.

[Chris]

missed both them.
PAthetic and shocking.

Yep, the Birmingham quote especially was one of the most sickening things a Liverpool manager has ever said.

Hated his comments on Shelvey the other night aswell.

[Fredo]

So how come Fulham weren't like this then? I remember them being right in your face and giving you no time on the ball. I remember them playing some decent attacking football and scoring some good goals. Time is what is required. Not knee jerk reactions. It achieves little.

It seems everyone is going round finding quotes, articles, anything to back up their opinions that Roy is ****ing useless and everybody is lapping it up. Its madness.

I see absolutely nothing that is similar in our style of play so far that Fulham have had for the past 2 seasons. Nothing.

Do you mean that Fulham was more attacking than us?

[BobTheCharmer]

Do you mean that Fulham was more attacking than us?

Fulham were more attacking than we have been so far this season. Well at home they were. Their whole game was about pressing the opponents. Its strange we've seen little of this so far.

Duff was fairly pivitol for them and we don't have a similar type player. Plus Zamora holds the ball up better and is stronger than either Torres or Ngog.

Its like we're caught between methods and he has to try and find a method that works for us and quickly. I'm hopeful that some reasonable games and a settled team will reap rewards.

[Fredo]

Fulham were more attacking than we have been so far this season. Well at home they were. Their whole game was about pressing the opponents. Its strange we've seen little of this so far.

Duff was fairly pivitol for them and we don't have a similar type player. Plus Zamora holds the ball up better and is stronger than either Torres or Ngog.

Its like we're caught between methods and he has to try and find a method that works for us and quickly. I'm hopeful that some reasonable games and a settled team will reap rewards.

He's got 5 'easier' games, hope he gets his methods spot on then.

I think he's made Agger and the others who played on Wednesday 'outcasts' though, as he's just gone out and said that none of the 11 players who played on Wednesday will be involved against Sunderland.

"None of the players who are playing on Saturday played on Wednesday night," said Hodgson.

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[red g]

He's got 5 'easier' games, hope he gets his methods spot on then.

I think he's made Agger and the others who played on Wednesday 'outcasts' though, as he's just gone out and said that none of the 11 players who played on Wednesday will be involved against Sunderland.

Agger will be off in Jan then as well. Far to good to be sat on our bench.

[Fredo]

Agger will be off in Jan then as well. Far to good to be sat on our bench.

You'd think that a manager calling for 'no knee jerk reactions' would give some of the players a chance to redeem themselves straight away, but no. Agger was the one responsible for the delightful pass which lead to Jova's goal. We cruelly need players like him at the moment.

[BobTheCharmer]

He's got 5 'easier' games, hope he gets his methods spot on then.

I think he's made Agger and the others who played on Wednesday 'outcasts' though, as he's just gone out and said that none of the 11 players who played on Wednesday will be involved against Sunderland.

but we knew they wouldn't be. Apart from Agger, who would have been up for a start?

[dww]

So how come Fulham weren't like this then? I remember them being right in your face and giving you no time on the ball. I remember them playing some decent attacking football and scoring some good goals. Time is what is required. Not knee jerk reactions. It achieves little.

It seems everyone is going round finding quotes, articles, anything to back up their opinions that Roy is ****ing useless and everybody is lapping it up. Its madness.

I see absolutely nothing that is similar in our style of play so far that Fulham have had for the past 2 seasons. Nothing.

The thing is my memories of most games I watched of Fulham was that they were like we are in a lot of ways. They just had an out ball to Zamora which allowed them to play higher up the pitch. Our defence seems to aim to close people but as they are positioned very deep it gives opponents with depth and width a lot of spaces to use to move our players around.

We don't have a target man and need to adapt our approach to start defending/pressing higher up the pitch.

His Fulham were an almost purely reactive side in my mind and so are we at the minute. I've not seen a top side operate in such a way effectively. Time will tell whether Roy can either make that work or adapt his philosophy once we have acclimatised to his core defensive strategy.

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You'd think that a manager calling for 'no knee jerk reactions' would give some of the players a chance to redeem themselves straight away, but no. Agger was the one responsible for the delightful pass which lead to Jova's goal. We cruelly need players like him at the moment.

exactly you ould have hoped he would have seen that move and thought thats exactly what i need for my centre half, Skrtel or Carra could only dream of doing that or even being in that position, but as Agger alluded to maybe thats the issue he doesn't like his centre backs to be oing this.

Agger has the ability to become one of the best centre backs on the premiership I am gutted at how we are using or not using hi,

[dww]

This is a very interesting analysis by Lars Bohinen. Remember him? He played under Hodgson at Blackburn. I've translated his article from Norwegian, so excuse me if it's not that clear, but you get the gist of his analysis.

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I think one of the more telling observations is that about the personalities in the squad. I felt that last season and it hasn't been addressed. For a few seasons I have felt that an experienced league winning player with leadership skills would really help us. Particularly since we lost Alonso and Hyypia we have lacked a calm head in the team and losing the former also meant that we lacked someone who could get us moving forward intelligently.

[Frenchie]

Hodgson is just not good enough at preparing the team and having the small details right, Ive been saying this for ages and now some on here are seeing it for themselves.

When you read some of his quotes too... Please just leave Woy....let Kenny bring some belief back and some passion, all those that dont want to fight including Torres and Gerrard just go and leave the shirt for someone that actually wants it not just the
£130k/week.

Frankly Sammy Lee could do a better job on his own at least he doesnt gnaw his fingers to the bone on the bench unlike Woy..

[DannyMan2006]

Fulham were more attacking than we have been so far this season. Well at home they were. Their whole game was about pressing the opponents. Its strange we've seen little of this so far.

Duff was fairly pivitol for them and we don't have a similar type player. Plus Zamora holds the ball up better and is stronger than either Torres or Ngog.

Its like we're caught between methods and he has to try and find a method that works for us and quickly. I'm hopeful that some reasonable games and a settled team will reap rewards.

That is the problem with Hodgson. He is a playing a system that we lack the players for.

Torres should be on the shoulder of the last defender, not being played as a target man. He has and never will be a target man.

He also plays a very narrow defensive unit that shift across accordingly. If the opposition play quick passes they catch you out, especially when Poulsen is not quick enough to cover the ground across and block incoming crosses.

Not only that, but we lack a Brede Hangeland type player who will clear the ball in the air all day long, as well as being a very competent CB.

He needs to change the system all we will splutter along unitlJanuary when you would think he would make some massive changes in the playing squad.

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Put it this way, if We had Kevin Davies instead of Torres, Hangeland instead of Carragher and Etuhu instead of Poulsen, we'd probably be a better team right about now. All three players mentioned are not as good as the people they would replace, particularly Davies. But they would play the role Hodgson is asking much better than the likes of Torres.

His tactics work better with players of limited talents IMO. Defenders clear it long to a target man. Sit deep, protect the middle and let the opposition get crosses in, where upon your massive CB just heads it away with no bother.

When you have a team of limited talents a very methodical system can make them play above their levels. When you have a team of talented players, a similar system will bring them down as there is less chance to use their ability.

[red g]

Hodgson is just not good enough at preparing the team and having the small details right, Ive been saying this for ages and now some on here are seeing it for themselves.

When you read some of his quotes too... Please just leave Roy....let Kenny bring some belief back and some passion, all those that dont want to fight including Torres and Gerrard just go and leave the shirt for someone that actually wants it not just the
£130k/week.

Frankly Sammy Lee could do a better job on his own at least he doesnt gnaw his fingers to the bone on the bench unlike Roy..

How apt you are posting in the knee jerk thread

[DannyMan2006]

Hodgson is just not good enough at preparing the team and having the small details right, Ive been saying this for ages and now some on here are seeing it for themselves.

When you read some of his quotes too... Please just leave Roy....let Kenny bring some belief back and some passion, all those that dont want to fight including Torres and Gerrard just go and leave the shirt for someone that actually wants it not just the
£130k/week.

Frankly Sammy Lee could do a better job on his own at least he doesnt gnaw his fingers to the bone on the bench unlike Roy..

On the contrary, there is probably very few who are better. He is just trying to fit square pegs into round holes. He is failing to see that it is his system that is at fault. He's used it all his life and wont change now.