Who Wants To Say Sorry?

[Mostar]

Ok, now that the Yanks are out... the YANKS ARE IN!

Our new owners have not put a foot wrong since buying the team; every decision seems rational and smart, they spent £50m+ in the January transfer window and got Suarez and Carroll, they got rid of the sulk and Roy, they re-signed Pepe and hired Kenny full time.

So, as an American, I await your praise and plaudits for the sporting ability of my countrymen. Clearly, they put the right people in the right positions and have restored the pride of LFC. Yes, we need to buy and yes, we need to win titles and silverware, but so far, so good.

Get in!

Personally I'll wait to see what happens in summer time before I form any concrete opinion on them.

I see lot of positive things they did so far but most decisions they made were expected (sacking Roy, re-investing money from Nando's sale without any major cash outlay from their pockets, appointment of Kenny and Ayre etc.).

We'll see of how much they will spend in the summer and what decision they will make when it comes to stadium.

Until then I will reserve my judgement.

[Chris]

one thing though people say google h&g and you have all the evidence you need on how crap they are, well google our new owners and there is positive evidence.

Hence 99.9% are optimistic? I'm not sure what your point is.

[CJ]

Hence 99.9% are optimistic? I'm not sure what your point is.

the point is that the other owners were bad owners fact because what people read on google. it wasnt we are guarded.

now people are optomistic but dont seem to give the same importance to the good news we read about our current owners.

[Rowan]

I wouldnt say i 'blame' them for it, but it was a mistake. Not one that i'd use to 'hang them out to dry' or anything.

But put it this way, if John Henry had his time again, knowing what he does now about Roy and Kenny, do you think he'd wait until January to make the change? I think if he had his time again, he would do it sooner. And the point is, whilst he didnt know what he does now about Roy and Kenny, the fans did and made the point early on.

I think if he knew then what he knows now he'd have sacked Roy on the spot. The problem is he didn't know. What he knew is that his manager had led a unfancied team to the Waffer Cup Final, had managed one of the top teams in Italy and had managed at the world cup. Not to mention the fact that everyone outside the Liverpool circles was saying give him time (cheers Paddy Barclay, you ****ing ******).

I think their lack of understanding about the game and the Hodgson propaganda machine more than accounts for their reasoning. And sacking a manager within 2-3 months of meeting him in a sport you're only just learning is still on the swift side (IMO).

But I stand by my original assertion. Even I could have got a result at home to Wolves!

[Chris]

the point is that the other owners were bad owners fact because what people read on google. it wasnt we are guarded.

now people are optomistic but dont seem to give the same importance to the good news we read about our current owners.

There were loads of Hicks and Gillett apologists on here, Tom was hounded off here because he went against them, Scratch wouldnt go a day without hailing how great they were, its not as black and white as you're painting it.

[CJ]

There were loads of Hicks and Gillett apologists on here, Tom was hounded off here because he went against them, Scratch wouldnt go a day without hailing how great they were, its not as black and white as you're painting it.

nothing is totally black and white but i think the point stands. I also worry some people will never be happy. They are not going to chuck money at us. We are not the chavs or city. Look at football fans anywhere and we always want more. The problem is some boards try to give us more leeds pompey etc, I would much rather be run sensibly than into the ground.

Our problem before was we were getting less and being driven to the ground. That is not what the evidence states.

[BrooklynRed]

Clearly keeping Hodgson cost us any chance of getting into the top four, and was a costly error. You obviously disagree, and i'd expect you to, given the circumstances.

I would expect you to keep the view that FSG are perfect and never put a foot wrong, come what may. Each to their own. If one of your strongest arguments against what i've said about us probably getting 4th place if Kenny had come in sooner is that it 'may not be true', then i'll live with that

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I agree keeping Hodgson, we would not make the Champions League. But let's not forget history. FSG recognized that the club needed to be re-built in January and Roy's yo-yo results left it a week by week decision for them to analyze. From Wikipedia-- and yes, I KNOW, but it says it well.--

"By late October 2010, speculation was rife that Hodgson would be sacked as Liverpool manager. Hodgson denied that he had any intention of resigning. He responded aggressively to suggestions that Frank Rijkaard, who had won the Champions League as manager of Barcelona, would be appointed in his place. However, three straight Premier League victories, including a 2–0 home win over leaders Chelsea, alleviated these speculations, as Liverpool returned to the top half of the table. New Reds owner John W. Henry backed Hodgson, however he also stated that Liverpool were still building and need new players in the January transfer market."

anyway, you like to make persnickety points all the time; the owners are amazing, they've done a brilliant job and, in my opinion, have done nothing wrong or unreasonable in how they managed their business. The club was in the ****ing gutter and we're on the rise; they need to spend, but you should get on the bandwagon. In honesty, I could give a **** if they were American or from Zaire, if they handle the club this well, they deserve praise.

fixate on "not a foot wrong," but you're not the arbiter of the "facts."

[Craig_H]

I think if he knew then what he knows now he'd have sacked Roy on the spot. The problem is he didn't know. What he knew is that his manager had led a unfancied team to the Waffer Cup Final, had managed one of the top teams in Italy and had managed at the world cup. Not to mention the fact that everyone outside the Liverpool circles was saying give him time (cheers Paddy Barclay, you ****ing ******).

I think their lack of understanding about the game and the Hodgson propaganda machine more than accounts for their reasoning. And sacking a manager within 2-3 months of meeting him in a sport you're only just learning is still on the swift side (IMO).

But I stand by my original assertion. Even I could have got a result at home to Wolves!

But they had LFC fans, people like Tomkins and Kenny himself, telling them. Of course they didnt know for themselves and had to take on what others were saying. They just listened to the wrong people

I agree that sacking him within 2-3 months could've been seen as rash and of course i understand that they didnt want to be rash in any decision making - which will stand us and them in good stead 90% of the time

So frustrating though.

[Craig_H]

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I agree keeping Hodgson, we would not make the Champions League. But let's not forget history. FSG recognized that the club needed to be re-built in January and Roy's yo-yo results left it a week by week decision for them to analyze. From Wikipedia-- and yes, I KNOW, but it says it well.--

"By late October 2010, speculation was rife that Hodgson would be sacked as Liverpool manager. Hodgson denied that he had any intention of resigning. He responded aggressively to suggestions that Frank Rijkaard, who had won the Champions League as manager of Barcelona, would be appointed in his place. However, three straight Premier League victories, including a 2–0 home win over leaders Chelsea, alleviated these speculations, as Liverpool returned to the top half of the table. New Reds owner John W. Henry backed Hodgson, however he also stated that Liverpool were still building and need new players in the January transfer market."

anyway, you like to make persnickety points all the time; the owners are amazing, they've done a brilliant job and, in my opinion, have done nothing wrong or unreasonable in how they managed their business. The club was in the ****ing gutter and we're on the rise; they need to spend, but you should get on the bandwagon. In honesty, I could give a **** if they were American or from Zaire, if they handle the club this well, they deserve praise.

fixate on "not a foot wrong," but you're not the arbiter of the "facts."

We could go around in circles here, but there's no point. You think they've done nothing wrong, i think they made a mistake. That's all.

[BrooklynRed]

I'd like to know the answer to this too, I hadn't heard anything about it?

The announcer on TV in USA (we had the feed from England) on Monday said Pepe just committed to a six year deal. but maybe he jumped the gun on that... I haven't seen anything formal. apologies.

[Tee]

Liked Henry from day 1 and he has always come across as a sincere and likeable chap. Want him to succeed in what he is doing here and just hope we can show afford him the patience he deserves. He has said he is here to win and there is nothing he has done to make me doubt that for one moment. Quite the opposite infact.

Now, just give Kenny that warchest and watch him bring home No.19!!

[Mello]

Too early to say for sure yet. I think the owners will do a proper, professional job but they will make some mistakes along the way. They are going to rub some people the wrong way with their business decisions. Also afraid they will raise ticket prices and upset some people. Especially if they decide to renovate Anfield.

Either way, the current owners are far better than we've had in recent memory.

[Rudo]

Really hate the way people are still crying about Kenny not being given the job earlier in the season.

Who's to say if Roy did a half decent job, that he still wouldn't be LFC manager now?

Kenny got the job because the Club was in a desperate situation, at it's lowest point, if that wasn't the case maybe Kenny wouldn't have come back at all.

People should just be happy with what's happening now, hindsight's a wonderful thing isn't it.

[saveferris]

The reason we arent in the CL this year has more to do with the fact we couldnt beat Blackpool and lost to Wolves at home. That should have been a minimum of an additonal 7 points. You could put that on the owners but expectations from everyone would have been positive for these games. No one could have predicted the run since Jan either or Suarez's impact.

We were poor against these teams but the expectation regardless was that Hodgson should have dealt with them just like we should have dealt with Northampton. The manager and players are the only ones you can pin that down on.

[Rudo]

The reason we arent in the CL this year has more to do with the fact we couldnt beat Blackpool and lost to Wolves at home. That should have been a minimum of an additonal 7 points. You could put that on the owners but expectations from everyone would ahve been positive for these games.

We were poor against these teams but the expectation regardless was that Hodgson should have dealt with them just like we should have dealt with Northampton. The manager and players are the only ones you can pin that down on.

Bloody hell, we're not the only team that will be thinking we should have won here or we should have got a point there. FFS, when are people going to realise that???