Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[RedAndWhite]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16375963.stm

The report says Suarez has "damaged the image of English football around the world".

Two similar offences in future could lead to "a permanent suspension".


What does that mean?

I presume that John Terry will never play football again.......

[ChesterDave]

The report says Suarez has "damaged the image of English football around the world".

Have the FA got any evidence of news reports and opinion peices from around the world to support this, or is it just their perceived view of events taken from evidence that doesnt exist?

[TheElephantMan]

I presume that John Terry will never play football again.......

Why? According to the FA Luis Suarez racially abused Patrice Evra 5,7 or 10 times - what did John Terry do?

[TheElephantMan]

Have the FA got any evidence of news reports and opinion peices from around the world to support this, or is it just their perceived view of events taken from evidence that doesnt exist?

Suarez hasn't damaged the reputation of the Premiership, but the FA have damaged the reputation of Luis Suarez and Liverpool Football Club.

[RedAndWhite]

Why? According to the FA Luis Suarez racially abused Patrice Evra 5,7 or 10 times - what did John Terry do?

No he "probably" did that - John Terry did use the words.

[Hustler]

Suarez hasn't damaged the reputation of the Premiership, but the FA have damaged the reputation of Luis Suarez and Liverpool Football Club.

Well said 👍

Add to this the bush league and clueless reporters/ex players who have jumped on the bandwagon.

When you see some of the nonsense that has been written and said by people who get paid to report and who where paid to play the game it is embarrassing. They should have kept their mouths closed and let the case be investigated.

What I laugh about is these are the same people who have the opinion the EPL is the best league in world football. Sums it all up really.

[TheElephantMan]

No he "probably" did that - John Terry did use the words.

The FA agreed with Patrice Evra's statement. If you believe Patrice Evra and the FA then Suarez is a racist. This is indisputable as far as I'm concerned. If Luis Suarez actually says "because your'e black", "I don't speak to blacks" and "okay, blackie blackie blackie" then he is definitely a racist. It doesn't get much clearer than that. The FA and Evra both stated that they don't believe that Suarez is a racist, but I'm sure that anyone making the statements alleged by Evra must be a racist. John Terry - what did he do? I mean seriously, compared to the allegations made against Suarez, John Terry's abuse is mild by comparison.

[RichC]

Suarez hasn't damaged the reputation of the Premiership, but the FA have damaged the reputation of Luis Suarez and Liverpool Football Club.

they've actually also damaged the reputation of the English game they're just too self righteous to see it.

You also have to wonder why most other countries FA have little to no time for the English FA! It couldn't be down to their arrogant self important outlook on things could it?

[TheElephantMan]

they've actually also damaged the reputation of the English game they're just too self righteous to see it.

You also have to wonder why most other countries FA have little to no time for the English FA! It couldn't be down to their arrogant self important outlook on things could it?

you're right they have.

[Gibbo]

Mancs are picking out sections of the report that favour them while we do the same.

I don't think we will appeal, but if we do we must take it higher than the FA.

[ChesterDave]

The FA agreed with Patrice Evra's statement. If you believe Patrice Evra and the FA then Suarez is a racist. This is indisputable as far as I'm concerned.

If you believe the FA then you believe the statement that Luis Suarez is NOT racist, as they said that much themself. Therefore, it is very disputable.

How so re Terry. Did he not yell across the field "I didnt call you a black *******' Well if he did call him that then IMO, his abuse is far worse. It sounds more agreesive given the scenario that he was not being abused by Ferdinand.

[Buzzo]

Mancs are picking out sections of the report that favour them while we do the same.

I don't think we will appeal, but if we do we must take it higher than the FA.

Only God will cast the final judgement on this case the way its going.

[Sebastian Rooks]

****ting Christ.

Neh-grow (Spanish) IS NOT THE SAME AS Knee-grow (English)

Words have different meanings in other languages.

It is normal and not at all racist to say 'hola negro'.

The expert witnesses to the FA panel fully acknowledged this basic point. If you can't grasp that I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing with you.

Yes your quite right, I have totally missed the point!

I was thinking of the English version of the word and not the Spanish version of the word which just means black.

I'd never make a lawyer!

My bad

[Kenneth]

I'm not convinced Suarez is innocent, or at least I am not convinced he didn't use racist insults at Evra, but I can't see how Evra can escape this without some kind of charge.

[MrMichael]

Tbh I think this is exactly the kind of argument that is frustratingly making us Liverpool fans come across to some as desperate apologists. The fact Evra is black does not make it ok to refer to it in any context - 'black cunt' for instance would be completely unacceptable. There are plenty of good arguments about why Suarez might be getting a very raw deal here but 'well, Evra IS black' really is not one of them.

Yeah, agreed. The issue really isn't the language here and its nuances anyway, if Suarez used it the way he says then he's innocent, whereas if he used it the way and with the frequency Evra says he did, he's guilty.

Its really quite simple imo. In Evra's account it is obviously being used in a way which is at the minimum intended to wind him up and offend him, now he could have used much worse terms (in Spanish) were he intending outright racist abuse, but none the less I think it is pretty clear that "I don't touch blacks" and "black, black, black" would still be derogatory in intention well beyond the point of "cultural misunderstandings" being a good excuse.

However, in Suarez' account he uses the word once, in passing, not with force or intent or anything like what could be called racist abuse, especially once one understands the proper uses of "negro".

The FA believe Evra, which is why they can call Suarez' defence on linguistic grounds laughable etc. Because it is... once they accept the detail of the "used 7 times" account is true. If they actually believed Suarez', or even something close to it, then that defence would be completely valid instead. The issue for us then imo, is simply whether there is any decent evidence that Evra is actually more credible. That is what I really can't see....

We should rightly consider why Evra might understandably have construed 'negro' as a racist insult, but it should not affect the verdict which should be based on the true meaning (and where possible the intent) of what was said. We cannot reasonably expect people to take responsibility for all possible cultural/linguistic interpretations of what they say, only for the interpretation in the context in which they are conversing.

Again, completely agreed.