Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[kemm1]

Suarez is Uruguayan and he speaks Uruguayan Spanish and in Uruguayan Spanish, Negro means black. Patrice Evra is Black. Is Evra ashamed to be Black or something?


Suarez's language uses the word Negro, therefore Suarez is allowed to use it. Denying Suarez the right to use the word Negro breaches his basic human rights, not only that, it is xenophobic and racist for anyone to brand his language unacceptable in England which is after all a "Multicultural" country that embraces all cultures and religions, yet discriminates against Luis Suarez's native tongue.

The FA like most things English is inherently racist, as shown in their dealing with Luis Suarez.

Evra is a black French man, what about his cultural sensitivities?

[Vermilion]

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Not him is it ?

[McDermotX]

God.......listening to that **** Carlisle just there banging on about the "evidence" and deliberation.

Truly the worst type of racist.

[Vermilion]

God.......listening to that **** Carlisle just there banging on about the "evidence" and deliberation.

Truly the worst type of racist.

If ever a man was chasing a position in the fa, it's that ****! Arse licker extraordinaire!

[TheElephantMan]

Evra is a black French man, what about his cultural sensitivities?

**** him, he's a ****.

[G]

What's this about Phil Dowd's referee's notes for that day being destroyed ?

Its in the report.Dowd jotted down in general terms what each witness said that day,Marriner then used those notes to help in writing his report.When he was finished writing his report he destroyed Dowds notes.

Amongst the many unbelievable things I've read in it I especially like the part where they go on about Suarez accepting in full the statements of the united players and manager and because he did that,then that corroborates Evra's version of events.Quite brilliantly the completely ignore the fact that those statements are simply other players reporting to the FA what Evra told them had happened,in other words Evra corroborates his own story by telling it to other people and having them back him up.

[Red_Polo]

Suarez is Uruguayan and he speaks Uruguayan Spanish and in Uruguayan Spanish, Negro means black. Patrice Evra is Black. Is Evra ashamed to be Black or something?

Tbh I think this is exactly the kind of argument that is frustratingly making us Liverpool fans come across to some as desperate apologists. The fact Evra is black does not make it ok to refer to it in any context - 'black cunt' for instance would be completely unacceptable. There are plenty of good arguments about why Suarez might be getting a very raw deal here but 'well, Evra IS black' really is not one of them.

[Red_Polo]

Its in the report.Dowd jotted down in general terms what each witness said that day,Marriner then used those notes to help in writing his report.When he was finished writing his report he destroyed Dowds notes.

Amongst the many unbelievable things I've read in it I especially like the part where they go on about Suarez accepting in full the statements of the united players and manager and because he did that,then that corroborates Evra's version of events.Quite brilliantly the completely ignore the fact that those statements are simply other players reporting to the FA what Evra told them had happened,in other words Evra corroborates his own story by telling it to other people and having them back him up.

Yes I found that utterly bizarre about Suarez 'accepting' things by not refuting them when he would never have been in any position to confirm or deny them, and also about Evra corroborating his own story merely by repeating it to people.

Dowd's notes being binned I get tbh. The ref probably wouldn't have realised their importance at the time and would have figured he'd recorded all the info in his report so it wouldn't matter.

[kemm1]

**** him, he's a ****.

So we should only take into account uruguayan culture and not how a black Frenchman may have received the message because he's a ****? Suarez has also been in northern Europe for a number of years and yet we automatically assume he is culturally ignorant?

[kemm1]

Tbh I think this is exactly the kind of argument that is frustratingly making us Liverpool fans come across to some as desperate apologists. The fact Evra is black does not make it ok to refer to it in any context - 'black cunt' for instance would be completely unacceptable. There are plenty of good arguments about why Suarez might be getting a very raw deal here but 'well, Evra IS black' really is not one of them.

Very well said.

[TheElephantMan]

So we should only take into account uruguayan culture and not how a black Frenchman may have received the message because he's a ****? Suarez has also been in northern Europe for a number of years and yet we automatically assume he is culturally ignorant?

I can't be arsed reading your comments.

[kemm1]

I can't be arsed reading your comments.

Then don't and why read them in the first place?

[TheElephantMan]

*shrugs*

[Red_Polo]

So we should only take into account uruguayan culture and not how a black Frenchman may have received the message because he's a ****? Suarez has also been in northern Europe for a number of years and yet we automatically assume he is culturally ignorant?

The Netherlands is not the same as here just because it's northern Europe though. If you'd been there recently you might have seen a lot of white folk blacking up their faces for instance.

We should rightly consider why Evra might understandably have construed 'negro' as a racist insult, but it should not affect the verdict which should be based on the true meaning (and where possible the intent) of what was said. We cannot reasonably expect people to take responsibility for all possible cultural/linguistic interpretations of what they say, only for the interpretation in the context in which they are conversing.

[TheElephantMan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16375963.stm

The report says Suarez has "damaged the image of English football around the world".

Two similar offences in future could lead to "a permanent suspension".


What does that mean?