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The white slave traders, the black slave traders or all of them? Would anyone know for sure maybe 200 years on? -
saw this on redcafe
i shouldn't laugh but..
The real winners today the racists in the crowd with the monkey gestures and shouts of black, black, black, black at one point in the second half and itv not once condemning it but cutting to suarez at every opportunity.
ah no that was definitely attack, attack, attack. Would have made the press by now if it wasn't!
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The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.Comment
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Arguing with someone who was a mate and an ex work colleague on Face****e ..
MUFC: Defending titles - LFC: Defending Racism.
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Declan Francis Smith Lets let society look after Racism, let football clubs look after football.......nuff said!
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Barry Harbison But football clubs are part of the fabric of society, Dec. - Particularly in that part of the World. With due respect, your comment is too simplistic. Almost like Blatter when he sais a player should accept such comment, get on with it, and shake hands at the end of the game.
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Declan Francis Smith Thats all very well, clubs have gone along way to stamping out racism, but when club rivalry is being used to stoke-up the situation it doesent help......so long as they keep pissin in our bovril.......
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Barry Harbison Quote from the Times today. "...what happened in the stands curdled the Stomach. So depressing....Evra jeered and hounded for making a complaint about racial abuse. A complaint that was upheld by an independent commission."
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Barry Harbison Pictures on Twitter of Liverpool fans making monkey gentures at Evra !
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Declan Francis Smith Man utd fans pissing on the Hillsborough Memorial.......you can go back n fort all day with the blame game. A Football Club is a place of work with rules. Liverpool made a dogs dinner of the situation but there are forces who are building this up to fever pitch. Its a longtime since Clyde Best was the first and only Black player in the League. Society watches from the sidelines and the politicians should stop passing the buck and blaming football. Society has to police itself and it can be done!!
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Jota Pe http://newsframes.wordpress.com/20...sm-churnalism/
Media on Racism: Part 1 – Churnalism
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Jota Pe http://newsframes.wordpress.com/20...acism-framing/
Media on Racism: Part 2 – Framing
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Jota Pe http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/lf...-respect.html/
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Jota Pe point is society sucks really and racism is the tip of the iceberg, oppressing others in whatever minority is wrong but we still do it...
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Barry Harbison MUFC: Defending titles - LFC: Defending Racism.
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Barry Harbison Stop trying to imply that because someone else does it, and doesn't get the same level of attention...its unfair.
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Jota Pe Yeah John Terry has received the same amount of publicity # hypocritical
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Barry Harbison That's the "Self-pity City", "Why always us" mentality again. Its no wonder the united fans sing, "Always the victims, it's never your fault" at Liverpool.
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Jota Pe actually they sang "murderers, 96 wasn't enough"
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Jota Pe but hey ho good and bad everywhere
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Barry Harbison Terry has probably had more publicity. Difference is , one has been found guilty by his peers, (and subsequently omitted his offence), and received the backing and full support of the club....the other is innocent until found guilty by his peers.
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Barry Harbison And of those 96, they killed their own.
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Jota Pe guilty by his peers hahahahahahahahaha kangaroo court with Manc ties hahahahahahaha
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Barry Harbison Hysel it was Juve fans - there to see a game.
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Jota Pe **** OFF
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Barry Harbison People not connected with football. Lord of your realm found him guilty
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Jota Pe have you actually read any facts instead of blurting sad manc ****e
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Jota Pe and how you can say we killed our own ffs....ignorant
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Barry Harbison Yeah, and I do hear these things with my own ears hen attending the games. On the otherhand, you rely on 'facts' by reading KopTalk in mexico !
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Jota Pe in the manc end with all the other murderer chanting retards hahaha thought you were better than that mate...
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Barry Harbison Eh...Hillsboro was caused because what scousers try to refer to as "scallywags" stormed the leppings lane end trying to get in without tickets at kick-off. Sure, the police and health & safety made mistakes...but the cops didn't try and overcrowd.
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Jota Pe whatever...........
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Barry Harbison Dont give me that ****. Liverpool fans have been mocking Munich for years.
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Barry Harbison Why always us mentality
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Barry Harbison How did the 96 dieat hillsboro then, JP ? Did the police cause the crush ? What about Heysel. Did the wall topple over because it was badly built.
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Jota Pe we will see at the enquiry as petitioned
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Barry Harbison "always the victims, it's never your fault". - That was the United chant yesterday. How did the Scouse fans behave...the vast majority of them boo boy a black for reporting racism.
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Jota Pe he was booed for being a manc along with the rest of them only he is more manc than most
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Barry Harbison Suarez denied it, Liverpool backed him to the hilt - then the camera in the net caught him out. He admitted it, took his punishment and neither he nor the club appealed. Nailed on.
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Jota Pe it was a kangaroo court bull**** preordained load of ****e, we will never agree on any of this... He admitted using the spanish word Negro regrettably once the rest was a witch-hunt of epic media proportions.
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Barry Harbison You cant have seen it then. Nor read the press today. Sunday times described liverpool fans behaviour towards Evra as "curdled the stomach", poisonous and "Sickening". That's David Walsh and Jonathan Northcroft words...not mine.
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Jota Pe and the other non Murdoch press said other ****e..
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Barry Harbison OK JP, the ****e you read on Koptalk is right, and the sports journalist of the year is wrong, as is a highly respected writer.
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Barry Harbison Did you see the film where Suarez pinched Evra's skin on his arm, then burushed his fingers as if they were covered in **** ?
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Barry Harbison But...believe what you want. You'll get to the facts on Koptalk OK. What about the racist abuse the Oldham player took from the Kop ?
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Barry Harbison Why am I bothering. There are none so blind as those that cannot see - that's you JP. Goodnight. We shall agree to disagree. But you disappoint me when you defend racism.
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Jota Pe
I dont read Koptalk, Like a lot of Liverpool fans, I’m sick of the moralising by holier-than-thou types about ‘our’ behaviour. The main evil of racism is that it brands everyone as the same, in an often derogatory manner. So yes, clearly Liverpool fans are all the same, and clearly this is no kind of stereotyping.
(That’s right, travelling United supporters, we’re all murderers, and “96 was not enough”. Equally, that doesn’t make all United fans lowlifes, and the same applies to Liverpool fans, most of whom have never sung a song about Munich. Fans of all clubs can be as bad as each other, especially inside the stadium.)
One ****-for-brains bloke (allegedly) racially abuses an Oldham player; suddenly it was ‘a section of the Kop’. It was in online editions of newspapers within minutes. Never mind that at the time, the player, Tom Adeyemi, may have misheard – there’s no doubt that he believed he’d been insulted, but in 2004, something similar happened in a game between Norwich and Everton (http://www.kickitout.org/news.php/news_id/140).
Never mind that the hysteria surrounding racism and Liverpool, whipped up to a frenzy by the mass media, may have caused Adeyemi to think he heard something offensive – the stories were published, and the accusations were made, before a shred of evidence existed. I’m not sure if the guy in the Kop has been charged and found guilty or innocent, or whether he said Manc ******* (due to Oldham’s location) or black *******, but if he did racially abuse Adeyemi, then we don’t want to see his ilk at Anfield. But the Kop were condemned before the facts were even known.
This time, one neanderthal makes monkey gestures, and we all tarred; even though it’s just one man in a crowd of 44,000. (Lock him in a cage, where he belongs, and feed him bananas, if that’s how he wants to behave.) So far, that’s two people out of combined crowds of around 80,000, who have acted like throwbacks from a bygone age, with only one of them proved to have done so (in that the man making the monkey gestures was clearly captured on tape, and has no excuse unless he himself was an actual monkey.)
Patrice Evra is booed, and suddenly it’s a ‘racist’ attack by Liverpool fans. Eh?
Let’s get one thing straight: Evra was always going to be booed. Anyone making racist gestures deserved to be removed from the ground and banned, but showing displeasure – by booing – for a player who freely admitted to starting the argument with Suarez by saying the Spanish phrase “your sister’s cunt” (which in itself is weird, given that Evra is French, and this was in England), and who kissed the United badge at the Kop end around the time of the Suarez squabble, is confusing the matter. Evra was a marked man even before the allegations of racism arose.
Fact: as captain, kiss the United badge to Liverpool fans at the Kop end, and you’ll be booed upon your return. (When I Googled the following image, the results were from United forums, saying how great it was. If he was a hero for doing so, then Liverpool fans will think him a villain. Wayne Rooney and Gary Neville suffer the same fate; are they black?)
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Jota Pe
If Liverpool fans would rather believe this, than the somewhat dubious ‘balance of probabilities’ decision reached, that should be our right, without being apologists for racism. Our argument is that, based on the facts in the case, there is no evidence of racism; just the single use, as admitted by Suarez, of one word that was lost in translation.
This is not to say that Evra is lying (although it should have been acknowledged that a previous FA hearing found his evidence to be unreliable); just that finding who was telling the truth should have been labelled an impossible task.
To use “he was found guilty” as an attempt to shut down all debate is unhelpful. Look at this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...8203;ice_cases
Again, this doesn’t mean that Suarez is therefore definitely innocent. It just means that unfair procedures – and the FA has been criticised by the government for its unfair procedures (the evidence of which is the 99.2% conviction rate) – cannot be trusted to dispense justice. Kangaroo courts in countries with dictatorships don’t convict as readily.
What’s the betting that if John Terry gets found innocent in the crown court case, he won’t be charged by the FA? Remember, the FA don’t need much evidence to convict; and remember, Suarez’s case wouldn’t have even gone to court, given how weak it was. My betting is that the FA will say that the higher power found Terry innocent, as they could not find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore that’s the end of the matter. Well, that higher power would have found Suarez innocent, too. Indeed, it wouldn’t have even got that far.
Again, this is not to say that Terry is guilty. He deserves a fair hearing, like anyone else. It’s just the double standards that rankle.
Many United fans are being self-righteous, despite defending Peter Schmeichel in his spats with Ian Wright, when the Arsenal man alleged he was racially abused. They sing about their South Korean midfielder eating dogs, and sang about Rafa Benítez as our “fat Spanish waiter”. Some sing vile songs about Hillsborough, and mock the dead. This is no high horse to proudly sit atop.
You have my word that if any Liverpool player is proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, to have racially abused someone, I will heartily condemn them. You have my word; come back and see me. But guilt based on the balance of probabilities from a disciplinary body that finds guilty more than 99% of those who stand accused? – Never! The Guardian, of which I always considered myself a proud reader (and in the 1990s, an employee) would rightly rally to free people convicted by less dubious methods.
I’d like to say that this will be my last comment on the subject, but it’s likely to raise its head in a couple of weeks. I wouldn’t blame Kenny for leaving out Suarez, such is the hatred for him in Manchester.
Finally, go and click on the following three links, with the first two pieces written by someone with no interest in football and no allegiances.
http://newsframes.wordpress.com/20...sm-churnalism/
http://newsframes.wordpress.com/20...acism-framing/
http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/lf...-respect.html/
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Barry Harbison Anfieldroad.com. Your honour, I rest my case !
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Jota Pe actually http://tomkinstimes.com/2012/01/un...y-fall/
United We Stand, United They Fall | The Tomkins Times | Paul Tomkins' blog about Liverpool Footbal
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Fact: as captain, kiss the United badge to Liverpool fans at the Kop end, and you’ll be booed upon your return...
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Jota Pe we all have polarised opinions mate..
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Barry Harbison http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...GG2_hNB4A&NR=1
What Suarez really said to Evra
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Barry Harbison Look at the film. Explain the gesture pinching Evra's arm then !!!
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Jota Pe Yeah he did it 10 times lol
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Jota Pe We are not defending racism we are defending ****e process that allows Evra to exagerate without recourse, that a kangaroo court with a 99.9% conviction rate with Manc ties presided over schoolyard ****e
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Jota Pe Lets move on....
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Barry Harbison What a bull**** statement. Go join your 'victim' friends !!!
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Barry Harbison And no comment on the skin gesture, no ?
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Barry Harbison Raceism is NOT "schoolyard ****e". LFC may think so. Most dont.
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Jota Pe and you remain with the manc retards.. the skin gesture was in response to "sudaca" an insult in Spanish racially abusing South Americans and "concha de tu hermana" meaning "your sister's cunt" both reprehensible but no punishment..I'm not defending Suarez for racism I'm attacking the system for hypocracy...
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Idiot. Stopped reading half way through.
Says Suarez was found guilty by his peers - erm, he was not up against the justice system with a panel of jurors, it was a ****ing FA disciplinary process 
Having come out with this, he then reels off a load of drivel about Hillsborough that have been proven fundamentally wrong by public inquiry. Why the discrepancy? The only answer is because he couldn't give a **** about the truth or justice. He's only interested in slinging **** like a deranged animal, because he supports a different team. If I were you I'd point those few basic facts out and leave him to it.Like blood on ironComment
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The FA are a joke, the process was a load of bollocks. Anyone who cares will see the flaws and the hypocrisy, but nobody wants to accept the truth because the truth is boring. The truth is complicated and not worth the effort for anyone who doesn't really care to read. The headlines are all most people have read and the rubbish is perpetuated by idiot journalists who have nothing else to write about.
I just hope that the FA get found out soon. The parliamentary discussion should be interesting. The FA aren't fit to run our game - they might have ****ed Suarez in the short term, but long term this is going to bite back.Comment
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Mate, that argument has spiralled way, way out of control. Easier said than done sometimes, but facebook is not the place to argue these things. That's how friends fall out.
That said, I've had a few 'arguments' on there myself over the whole thing. The line I am taking is that Suarez was wrong to make reference to Evra's skin colour, but I don't believe he called him a 'ni**er' 7 times, which would obviously be much worse. Harsh to condem him on 'balance of probability' (as opposed to 'beyond reasonable doubt') when there were several witnesses and dozens of cameras recording the incident. Especially bearing in mind that Suarez will now be labelled racist by opposition fans for the rest of his career. In a situation like this, there should be no 'maybes' or 'probablys' about it. It's less about the ban, and more about the stigma.
I've also had the t-shirt incident thrown at me by a couple of people. I think this is fairly easy to bat away, and is a good example of how the media have behaved obtusely when it's suited them. The players obviously don't advocate racism, they wore the t shirts to show they supported Suarez against the claims that he is a racist - how is that not obvious to people?
Anyway mate. If you want my advice, I'd drop that argument asap. And if it were me, I would **** the person right off for the murderers **** he was coming out with (how does that make him any better than the people he's complaining about?). But before you do (if you do), point him in the direction of the Taylor Inquiry. The ignorant cunt.K ris90210Comment
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Caught by the camera in the net? er, no.
As for the Hillsborough stuff, well we dont need to go over that. We know how wrong he is.
Hysel. Liverpool fans behaved awfully, and it would be nice to correct the facts to him but he is an idiot so there is no point in bringing the fact the ground weas condemned to the table...
Barry Harbison Stop trying to imply that because someone else does it, and doesn't get the same level of attention...its unfair.
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Barry Harbison Dont give me that ****. Liverpool fans have been mocking Munich for years.
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thanks...I think I represented our side well...er using Tomkins etc.. but the point is more along the lines of WTF......
He is a professional chap with good educational levels spouting this manc bigoted ****e...Im just flabbergasted...Comment
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So according to Bacombe, the monkey chanting goon featured in the highlights video of the Saturdays match on the Offal, but was swiftly taken down?
That was a ridiculous thing to miss, and serves undermine the club further. Not good.Oh I don't know.Comment
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Makes you wonder ... I would be spitting fire if I was Ayre ... sweet JesusOriginally posted by dom9 View PostAnybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
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It is beyond incompetent.Oh I don't know.Comment
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Evra was denied a clear penalty against Stoke even though the ref had already awarded two penalties to United! Is it because he's black?Comment
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