Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[KingKenny77]

Is Linford Christie Jamaican or British?

Jamaican.

Also the FA have sided with Evra based on nothing more than Evra's word and Evra seeming to be more reliable. Guilty until proven innocent is key component of British Common Law and yet it has been thrown out of the window here because the FA want to use Suarez to make a point to Blatter and FIFA.

[Kenneth]

Jamaican.

Also the FA have sided with Evra based on nothing more than Evra's word and Evra seeming to be more reliable. Guilty until proven innocent is key component of British Common Law and yet it has been thrown out of the window here because the FA want to use Suarez to make a point to Blatter and FIFA.

I think Suarez's admition is another reason. He would appear to be guilty of that one alone without reliance on Evra's testimony.

[KingKenny77]

I think Suarez's admition is another reason. He would appear to be guilty of that one alone without reliance on Evra's testimony.

He admitted to using the word Negrito which means "little black man". If calling a short black man just that but in Spanish is racist then we have some serious problems in this country.

[G]

He admitted to using the word Negrito which means "little black man". If calling a short black man just that but in Spanish is racist then we have some serious problems in this country.

You clearly haven't read the report.I suggest you do before trying to argue about the rights or wrongs of the case.

The word used was Negro,admitted to by Suarez.

The FA have deemed the use of that word unacceptable,whatever the rights and wrongs of that position it means there can be no argument that Suarez contravened their rules by saying it once.The rest is pointless.He hung himself when he admitted it

[JHP]

You clearly haven't read the report.I suggest you do before trying to argue about the rights or wrongs of the case.

The word used was Negro,admitted to by Suarez.

The FA have deemed the use of that word unacceptable,whatever the rights and wrongs of that position it means there can be no argument that Suarez contravened their rules by saying it once.The rest is pointless.He hung himself when he admitted it

If you want to be pedantic I suggest you read the Report. They accepted that the use of the word negro was not necessarily pejorative and did not necessarily breach their rules.

If they had believed Suarez's evidence that he'd used it on one occasion in a conciliatory manner there would not have been a problem. Instead they believed Evra's version of events that he used it on several occasions in an offensive way.

[Exiled_red]

They mentioned that refering to a player's colour is in breach of the FA's rules regardless of context.

[JHP]

They mentioned that refering to a player's colour is in breach of the FA's rules regardless of context.

The experts concluded their observations on Mr Suarez's account as follows. If Mr Suarez
used the word "negro" as described by Mr Suarez, this would not be interpreted as either
offensive or offensive in racial terms in Uruguay and Spanish-speaking America more
generally; it is being used along the lines of paragraphs 172, 173 and 175 abov

[JHP]

The relevant rule:
GENERAL BEHAVIOUR
3 (1) A Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour.
(2) In the event of any breach of Rule E 3(1) including a reference to any one or more of a person’s ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation or disability (an “aggravating factor”), a Regulatory Commission shall consider the imposition of an increased sanction, taking into account the following entry points:
For a fi rst of ence, a sanction that is double that which the Regulatory Commission would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
For a second of ence, a sanction that is treble that which the Regulatory Commission would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
Any further such of ence(s) shall give rise to consideration of a permanent suspension.
These entry points are intended to guide the Regulatory Commission and are not mandatory.
The Regulatory Commission shall have the discretion to impose a sanction greater or less than the entry point, according to the aggravating or mitigating factors present in each case.

[Kenneth]

If you want to be pedantic I suggest you read the Report. They accepted that the use of the word negro was not necessarily pejorative and did not necessarily breach their rules.

If they had believed Suarez's evidence that he'd used it on one occasion in a conciliatory manner there would not have been a problem. Instead they believed Evra's version of events that he used it on several occasions in an offensive way.

Indeed. But does anyone really believe that?

[BootRoom]

Few interesting snippets from Bascombe

By Chris Bascombe
Last Updated: 11:59PM GMT 01/01/2012

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In another twist, it has emerged Suarez’s legal representative McCormick was involved in the last high profile FA dispute involving Liverpool and Manchester United in 2007.

McCormick was one of a two-man FA commission which ruled against Liverpool in deciding United had no legal obligation to sell Gabriel Heinze when the Argentine defender wanted to move to Anfield for £6.8 million.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...match-ban.html

Tony Barrett on the Rattle

The FA employed a QC who's regarded as the best criminal lawyer in the country. Liverpool used a solicitor who specialises in sports and media law and who was once accused of advising Michael Duberry to give false evidence during the Bowyer/Woodgate case. Suarez was on a loser before the hearing even began.the same qc who was on the panel that ruled against us on Heinze. You couldn't make it up.

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Was it McCormick that was on the Heinze panel, or the QC Paul Goulding (Chairman of the Suarez panel)?

[G]

The experts concluded their observations on Mr Suarez's account as follows. If Mr Suarez
used the word "negro" as described by Mr Suarez, this would not be interpreted as either
offensive or offensive in racial terms in Uruguay and Spanish-speaking America more
generally; it is being used along the lines of paragraphs 172, 173 and 175 abov

I have read it.

The experts referred to here are the language experts merely pointing out that the word is not offensive if used in a certain context. the FA in any case rejected his version of events.

The FA decided that any use of the word which referenced Evra's colour was in direct breach of rule 3,as it was not their job to determine a words meaning in every context in which it can be used.

Since that was their position then once Suarez admitted using it he was bang to rights. The best we can hope for now is a reduction in the ban if they somehow decided to change that stance and accept that context does matter and he didn't mean it offensively.

I doubt that will happen

[fah-q]

If the FA deem the word Negro to be unacceptable how come they never banned Carlos Bocanegra or Stefan Schwarz or Clayton Blackmore?

[Chris]

Indeed. But does anyone really believe that?

You really, really dont like Suarez do you?

[badpiggy]

If the FA deem the word Negro to be unacceptable how come they never banned Carlos Bocanegra or Stefan Schwarz or Clayton Blackmore?

You really, really dont like Suarez do you?

Chris you're a seriously passionate red but in all fairness, trying to make out the Suarez isn't a niggling wind-up ****er is nuts. Of course he's our niggling wind-up ****er so

Remember when he pulled Rafael's hair in the game against Utd last year? Winding up an already overheated young ****? Therefore he's got form - just like Evra supposedly has form for making dishonest racially-based accusations. We can't have it every way.

[Leyton388]

The sooner this is behind us the better. I'm ****ing sick of the whole thing. Why can't LFC just be about the football these days? Theres always a ****ing drama. Not that i don't want the club to fight it cos i do as the club and Luis have been stiched up.