Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Shaggy]

It defies belief.

Why are we so ****ing amateurish all the time?

[peekay]

The report is a load of bull****, but there is a real danger that fighting will cause greater damage to the club. I am torn between supporting Suarez and supporting LFC. I feel that there is real injustice here, but our options seem limited. We need to make it clear that we do not accept Evra's claims and we do need to highlight the inconsistencies within the report.

The club have a big decision to make. If we appeal it will get very dirty.

There is absolutely no way we should back down IMO. At this point we should not be worried about the media and the hacks. This is the same media which ran an orchestrated campaign to remove Rafa and pretty much ensured that he wont get a job in this country in the near future. Remember Rafa - the cold heartless emotionless man - when every piece of evidence pointed otherwise. The same media which still believes Roy Hodgson was given a rough deal.

Look at the Alonso case, when he was here the entire focus was on Gerrard and one man team. When he left, he suddenly became the midfield maestro.

It is the same with Suarez, if we back down the attack will be relentless. Once he leaves for Spain he will immediately become the flawed genius; articles will be written praising his desire to win at any cost.

And if we discover the next Suarez and the next Rafa, they will find another reason to drive them out of town.

The only way to counter this is to be resolute. Not give them anything. That is the only way we are going to win in the long term.

"Is Luis Suarez innocent?" - A simple yes or no question. If the club believes the answer is yes, we should pursue it at all costs irrespective of the short term consequence - 8, 10 , 12 match ban. We should build a wall around us and send a message out, attempting a hack job on us is worthless.

I honestly believe right now we have a management strong enough to take that stance. That is the only way we are going to win in the long term. As if they succeed with Suarez, King Kenny will be the next target.

[Exiled_red]

It defies belief.

Why are we so ****ing amateurish all the time?

As I said the club handled the approach to this hearing poorly.

[Craig_H]

It defies belief.

Why are we so ****ing amateurish all the time?

I thought this kind of ****e would've gone when Henry and co came in.

[Red_Polo]

The whole reliability/credibility thing seems to turn on how well drilled witnesses were rather than whether any ACTUAL EVIDENCE corroborates or conflicts with their story. From that pov we have been incredibly naive, whilst Man Utd and Evra have both learnt from having made a similar past mistake.

[fah-q]

Would this be Ayre's remit to sort legal representation?

I can't imagine JWH and co being so slapdash and amateur about this.

[Exiled_red]

The whole reliability/credibility thing seems to turn on how well drilled witnesses were rather than whether any ACTUAL EVIDENCE corroborates or conflicts with their story. From that pov we have been incredibly naive, whilst Man Utd and Evra have both learnt from having made a similar past mistake.

My thoughts exactly

[Resu]

The reason to why they want us to keep quiet and accept the ban is IMO that they are very afraid of what will happen if Suarez take it to court and win.

The whole kick it out campaign would be dead a long time. It would lose all credibility.

A lot of the media would risk being sued by the club and Suarez after calling him a racist.

They also IMO know that Suarez have a good chance to win the case if he take it to court.

What exactly would Suarez take them to court for?
Evra and the FA clearly stated that they don`t think he`s a racist. They didn`t say that to be nice, but to cover their backs against getting to taken to court. The papers is another thing, but what would that gain?

As it looks to me now LFC hasn`t handled it very well, and taking it to court would drag everything out. The sponsors will not like that, and words might get whispered in Henrys ear.

I`ve said it before, the best thing would be for the club to make a statement that they think the panel got it wrong and still supports Suarez, and then move on.

[Buzzo]

Would this be Ayre's remit to sort legal representation?

I can't imagine JWH and co being so slapdash and amateur about this.

definitely, he will no doubt have to report to FSG as to how he handled the case.

[barnes10]

they have found him guilty of racism based of no hard evidence whatsoever.

that is the problem. He is guilty of racism and thats a massive problem for his image.

[Suarez]

they have found him guilty of racism based of no hard evidence whatsoever.

that is the problem. He is guilty of racism and thats a massive problem for his image.

they haven't found him guilty of racism though have they

[ChesterDave]

No. They have found him of using racist words in abusing someone in a manner that isn't racist - without evidence.

Its ****ing shameful. The FA can't see the wood for the trees on who is damaging the English game

[kemm1]

The Netherlands is not the same as here just because it's northern Europe though. If you'd been there recently you might have seen a lot of white folk blacking up their faces for instance.

The similiarites exist with especially with living in Amsterdam as he once did it's not common and/or acceptable practice to walk up to someone and say 'hey negro'. The recent phenomenon of assholes driven painting their faces motivated by political dogma does not shine a light on the underlying culture especially in Amsterdam.

We should rightly consider why Evra might understandably have construed 'negro' as a racist insult, but it should not affect the verdict which should be based on the true meaning (and where possible the intent) of what was said. We cannot reasonably expect people to take responsibility for all possible cultural/linguistic interpretations of what they say, only for the interpretation in the context in which they are conversing.

Correct and this is exactly the pass in which 99% of the message board is giving Suarez, taking about the culture of using the word negro in Uruguay and making assumptions about what he meant. This message board is not only arguing that the FA inept but is also making assumptions, well I see lots of assumptions being made here.

I'm sure Suarez is very familiar with Evra and could have called him many things which would have been appropriate including cunt.

[kemm1]

He's Senegalese not French. He wasn't born in France.

Is Linford Christie Jamaican or British?

What about Luis' cultural sensitivities? If Suarez has been racist, ban him, if he has called a black man a Negro then sorry, that's not racist to me. Negro in Spanish means black. Evra is black, so I can't see the problem and Luis speaks a form of Spanish.

My point was that both cultural sensitivities should be ignored and the law of the land should be the standard. Your ingnorance in not seeing the problem doesn't really matter.

This is just another PC driven agenda which is why I'll never support organisations dealing with Racism because they are themselves inherently racist.

Very much crazy and sweeping generalization in my opinion.

Olivier Bernard still hasn't responded to my email asking him to disclose which clubs supporters have been making monkey chants in the terraces in English football.

So?

It seems to me that Bernard is just like Evra, a natural born liar who is probably a racist himself.

Wow.................. what conclusions you've drawn there, hopefully you're not a judge, politician or in the FA.

[kemm1]

As a black mate of mine said -
If Suarez is a racist for what he said then we need to start locking up all the black's who greet their black friends with a greeting containing 'my nig*a'

As he said, if i as a white guy called a random black lad by the n word i would deserve to get a kicking but within their group of friends it is their greeting to each other, all the rapper use it in their songs.

What Suarez did was wrong but only because he is playing in England and we are a jumped up self important country too preoccupied by back handers and point scoring to understand that there is a bigger world out there.
Suarez should get a ban for admitting he used the word in error, 8 games on the word of a proven liar is pathetically predictable.

4 game ban with a further 4 suspended with an acknowledgement from the FA that it is mainly a misunderstanding on both sides, Suarez was not intending to make a racist comment and i think we would have accepted it

I see your point and may be your suggested approach makes sense but the FA is not there to determine if Suarez is racist but if his comments were. There are many people who will once in a while or even once in a lifetime do things out of character but still get punished if that act is an offense.