Mark Gonzalez

[Guest]

I've seen him play live Chris and he hasn't particulary impressed me then, either.

You haven't impressed me with your comments either.

[Harv]

You're spot on.

Far too many 'possibilities' have been purchased under Rafa's reign and not enough first team regulars.

xabi was a 'possibility', Kuyt was a 'possibilty', Garcia was a 'possibility', Reina, Agger etc etc.......everybody overlooks these guys in their arguments.

Your full of ****e mate

They were all our most expensive signings (Moro was left out...but who would've thought he would be so ****), IMO they have all been very good/ fantastic so far.

[Harv]

Rafa's had over 60m to spend, he's wasted far too much of it on 'squad players' and 'backup'.

Last summer he brought in Aurelio cost nothing, Gonzalez cost 2mill, and i bet you weren't complaining when we bought him for that, Pennant jury is out and Bellamy.he has done nothing wrong so far, and for 6mill looks a good buy

I would've kept Cisse and Hamann and bid 15m for ONE world class attacking winger like Vicente, Jaoquin or maybe even the lad Lennon.

Our squad is already far, far too big.

Vicente is trying his best to impersonate Kewell lately, and Joaquin is hyped up beyond belief.
plus they would take a season to settle in the prem...i would guarantee it.

[Harv]

Pennant ? Back up for 7m. And he's a criminal. Wow.

Gonzalez ? Jury is still well and truly out on this one.

Bellamy ? Any better than Cisse, I dont think so.

thats a cheap shot (i wouldnt expect anything else from you really)

He didnt cost 7mill either, it was 3.5 + performance based bonuses which get it up to 7mill. At the moment it looks like it will only be 3.5-4mill spent.

[dww]

If you dont think Ballack and Shevchenko are brilliant footballers, then i would indeed question your footballing knowledge.

And no, i wasnt taking the piss out of someone's english earlier.

But Veron was also a fabulous player and still was a waste of money for both Man Utd and Chelsea. So really there can be a point to arguing that they might not be good signings despite being great players.

[Morph]

Well each to their own, but i personally think that Sheva and Ballack are unquestionably brilliant and doubting them isnt something a knowledgable fan does.

As for the initial point, yes United or Chelsea will win the league.

What a silly comment.

Morrientes was and you can argue is again brilliant.

He came to us and was pants, why you not doubt Sheva any more than Morrientes? They came from a different league, and both suffered early on, anf there's still no evidence Shevchenko will even cut it in our league.

For my money Kuyt has had a better start then Shevchenko and he cost a third of what he cost.

[Craig_H]

thats a cheap shot (i wouldnt expect anything else from you really)

He didnt cost 7mill either, it was 3.5 + performance based bonuses which get it up to 7mill. At the moment it looks like it will only be 3.5-4mill spent.

We'll pay the full £7m.

[Craig_H]

But Veron was also a fabulous player and still was a waste of money for both Man Utd and Chelsea. So really there can be a point to arguing that they might not be good signings despite being great players.

Of course there can, but i dont think that applies to Shevchenko and Ballack.

Wishful thinking at best, i'm afraid.

[Craig_H]

What a silly comment.

Morrientes was and you can argue is again brilliant.

He came to us and was pants, why you not doubt Sheva any more than Morrientes? They came from a different league, and both suffered early on, anf there's still no evidence Shevchenko will even cut it in our league.

For my money Kuyt has had a better start then Shevchenko and he cost a third of what he cost.

You're comparing Morientes and Shevchenko?

And MINE was a silly comment?

[Dunk]

I know how Gonzalez got his black eye - and much much more. Just pay me £30 and I'll make up some bull****-- errr I mean tell you.

[Harv]

We'll pay the full £7m.

if we pay the full amount then he would of performed....so i would be happy with that

[Craig_H]

if we pay the full amount then he would of performed....so i would be happy with that

Not really. How do you definie 'performed' ?

The contract doesnt say "£7m if he is good"....

It'll be appearance related, it'll be related to LFC qualifying for CL etc.

He's been pants so far, and keeps being picked, so there's the appearances.
We'll qualify for CL regardless of how good or bad he is.

So us paying the full fee wont necessarily mean he's been good.

[Harv]

Not really. How do you definie 'performed' ?

The contract doesnt say "£7m if he is good"....

It'll be appearance related, it'll be related to LFC qualifying for CL etc.

He's been pants so far, and keeps being picked, so there's the appearances.
We'll qualify for CL regardless of how good or bad he is.

So us paying the full fee wont necessarily mean he's been good.

im not looking to get into a debate with you mate. I doubt the money would be based just on the 'team' performance. Id think it would be on appearances, maybe if he gets an England cap, goals, assists etc....

[Craig_H]

im not looking to get into a debate with you mate. I doubt the money would be based just on the 'team' performance. Id think it would be on appearances, maybe if he gets an England cap, goals, assists etc....

It's a debating forum isnt it?

Fees are often based on how the plays 'helps' the club progress. So there will be something in there about CL qualification, no doubt about that.

Appearances, as i've said, he'll get regardless. And i wouldnt be surprised if that tool McLaren picks him for england, so that'll sort that one out.

You might be surprised to realise how little of it is probably to do with goals and assists for LFC.

[Harv]

It's a debating forum isnt it?

Fees are often based on how the plays 'helps' the club progress. So there will be something in there about CL qualification, no doubt about that.

Appearances, as i've said, he'll get regardless. And i wouldnt be surprised if that tool McLaren picks him for england, so that'll sort that one out.

You might be surprised to realise how little of it is probably to do with goals and assists for LFC.

only if you choose to

in this instance im choosing NOT to

Ive had enough of this Pennant crap, he has showed glimpses, good and bad. He hasn't been given a chance by the majority of fans IMO.

I am willing to give the lad a chance.....but he has alot of work to do (the sub appearance against Utd was horrible, he hid from the ball)